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the music says it all what's up guys

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welcome to somewhere in the skies I'm

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your host Ryan Sprague and I have

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York City to Los Angeles trade in one

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California but make no mistake New York

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City is the greatest city in the world

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and I was beyond fortunate to make it my

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home for over a decade from waiting

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tables at Bubba Gump shrimp company to

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but now it's time for a change and with

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opportunities for someone the skies in

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who happened to be in town for a few

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days many of you may be familiar with

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Jason but if not there's a little about

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him Jason is a UFO journalist and

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and was the co organizer and technical

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producer of the International UFO

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Congress he has appeared on sci-fi Nat

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2's hangar one the UFO FILES he is the

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only weirdos see UFOs an introduction to

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the public's misperception of

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unidentified aerial phenomena and

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extraterrestrial life Jason and I sit

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back crack open a few UFO beers in Times

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Square and talk UFOs the paranormal and

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the heavy impact of belief systems for

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science when it comes to investigating

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these strange topics so without further

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ado here is my last episode to

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officially take place in the city that

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never sleeps and a perfect guest to send

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me off Jason McClellan hey guys this is

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Ryan Sprague here for somewhere in the

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skies but that is not it we're also here

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today with a Jason McClellan my good

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fellow friend he's here in New York

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visiting for a few days for some

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top-secret projects top-secret ferry

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top secret but we are together in New

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York this is awesome

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we I was very surprised and we were

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actually able to make it happen you know

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I'm leaving for Los Angeles in two days

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and he just happened to be here one of

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the days and freeze just happened to be

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here and I just happened to be in LA in

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a couple days from now so absolutely

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we'll cross paths again

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this is crazy it's pretty awesome but we

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New York and it doesn't always work out

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we got nice and drunk together so we

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say met but we certainly got it got a

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photo with her

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yeah but man yeah no those things are

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weird and you always want to like strike

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up a conversation obviously and I was

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wearing a t-shirt with a big alien head

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Jillian about aliens because I know

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she's into it but no you're like herded

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your arm around your photo and you're

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awkward for them I mean it's you know

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how it is on a very small scale

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autographs and things like that and you

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gets exhausting too like where you just

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while you know you're writing the same

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inscription or saying the same thing or

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you're okay about what you're gonna have

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for dinner exactly you're alright next

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next next move on I want to get out of

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here and get to the bar yeah and you

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know it's it's I feel bad it's not fair

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to the people who want to meet you and

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want to have a meaningful conversation

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people it wears on you so I get it I get

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it to you and I I always go back to when

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I met David Duchovny you know I've been

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x-files came out and he was doing a

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playwright starring like my favorite

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actor and I was so excited the play went

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on and the last moment of the play

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I specifically remember it's a moment

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where Duchovny is supposed to like be

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shaking his fist at God and it's

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powerful and it's supposed to be this

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big moment and you could tell there's

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supposed to be like a super quick

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blackout yeah into play so he does it

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you know he's all revved up he does his

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last line and the lights never go out No

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so he's just standing there in the

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spotlight doing his last line and then

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he just sort of you know slowly puts his

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hands down kind of looks around it just

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although the audience didn't know

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whether or not we didn't know if the

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play was oh yeah

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it was just one element it was clear

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what was supposed to happen oh that's

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too bad

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so afterwards I brought my you know my

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big x-files book to get signed by oh my

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I want to believe poster I had this you

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know with fantasy in my head that he'd

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be like oh you're a true x-files yeah of

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course I'm gonna stop and talk to you

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yeah so we go out there and there's just

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a [\h__\h] ton of middle-aged women waiting

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to meet him from Californication know

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and I see him coming down the hallway so

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I opened the door for him I'm like oh

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this is it this is my end holding the

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door for him brushes right past me you

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could tell he was in a [\h__\h] mood cuz the

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play did not go so he like scribbled in

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one person's book and got in his car so

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my heart was just crushed you have you

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have these expectations of celebrities

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or people that you want to meet they've

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been such a big part of your life and

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then you have to realize like sometimes

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they just have off nights yeah or

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sometimes they just don't want to stand

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there and talk for hours yeah exactly

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you know they don't they don't

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necessarily owed that to anyone that's

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right you know they did his job he did

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the play he could go home if he wants

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yeah you know so I feel like those

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moments are tough so I'm

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do you guys got to get a photo with

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Gillian but also at the same time it

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doesn't surprise me that you didn't have

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like an hour to chat or anything like

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that and you know to be fair to her I'm

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sure if it were up to her she because

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she's a nice person she would have

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entertained some conversation but it's

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always the handlers you know you're at

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the mercy of so you know when they're

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pushing you along you you've got to

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follow the rules so that's a good point

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so you just follow the the orders that

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are being barked at you and she like

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smiled politely and nodded okay well it

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was what it was I enjoyed it what was

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that yeah it's a good point oh we might

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add that we are currently drinking UFO

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beer yes enough to purchase this for the

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two of them yes we are drinking UFO beer

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we are big fans of UFO beer if you

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haven't had UFO beer it's made by

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harpoon brewery they have a UFO Line

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mini flavors when we got raspberry

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raspberry huckleberry um

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Hefeweizen and a white ale not so good

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so yeah

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fantastic beer we love UFO so Thank You

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UFO beer brought to you by UFO beer

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maybe they want to sponsor us we

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certainly walk on my UFO sponsorship so

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yeah I guess this is a good time for any

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of my listeners who aren't familiar with

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you Jason which I find hard to believe

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let's I guess maybe dive into how we got

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connected um how did how did our

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relationship blossomed absolutely so it

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started in a lucid dream I had one night

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when I had a raging boner it no okay

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that wasn't the actual story so I

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cutting that out I'm not saying that

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didn't happen but so the way you and I

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were introduced this goes back to open

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minds days and we had launched the open

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minds magazine for those of you not

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aware open minds was a internationally

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distributed print magazine I don't

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remember how many years we put that out

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but it was out for a few years and

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distributed around the world and in my

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opinion was the best UFO magazine ever

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silly little fanboy but yeah so we were

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looking for writers and we happen to

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come across a gentleman by the name of

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Gregg who was very interested in writing

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for the magazine maybe a little too

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interest so we took a chance on Ryan and

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that is a fantastic mistake we made the

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best mistake we've ever made

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no no and that's that's uh that's how

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Ryan and I met and then you know we

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Maureen and I interviewed on interviewed

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you on spacing out yes and yeah our

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relationship blossomed and flourished

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and it's been pretty awesome you know

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you when you get involved in the UFO

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topic I don't think you really think

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about what could come of that yeah it's

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not just searching for answers to these

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questions we all have but you meet

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people along the way and you make

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friends yeah it is a community yeah and

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sometimes that community can be pretty

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fractured but there are also those

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moments when you make I think lifelong

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friends yeah and I think that's what

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happened with you me Maureen yeah you

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have those connections pretty fast I

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mean you can get a good read on people

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especially in this field and you know

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you can tell when you're generally

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aligned with somebody yeah you get it

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you get a good feel for people pretty

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fast and with you I don't know I I can't

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speak for you but I know for me we

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seemed to click pretty fast so you know

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just from the first time we started

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working together I knew that we were

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pretty well aligned and and we became

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lifelong friends yeah and I mean we have

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other just as well you know we both like

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loved music

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yeah the punk the punk scene no

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discussing all these different things

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you know and you ever hear a shot to you

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by UFO beer

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yes but ya know I I sort of when I

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learned about open minds and that there

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was an actual company that was doing UFO

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work I knew I had to be a part of it

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somehow it doesn t small way that's what

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oh yeah volunteering at the conference's

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yeah spending 12 hours a day behind a

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dark curtain with headphones on you know

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and you know I'm harassed life of UFO

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conference oh yeah big time you know

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getting that pee break in between each

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speaker if you like yeah but I wouldn't

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have traded it for the world yeah it was

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I got to see so many interesting people

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give talks

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you know the mainstream will never see

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and while that's sad it makes me feel

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very special yeah I got to like

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experience that I got to see Bob Lazar

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in the flesh

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put the [\h__\h] microphone on Bob Lazar

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yeah it was incredible those are the

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moment I don't never forget that's right

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now and we've had many of those I feel

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throughout the years as well absolutely

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yeah

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well speaking about conferences you just

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got back from a conference right in Nova

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Scotia Nova Scotia Wow UFO conference

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that's something I have not done oh how

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was that experience it was incredible

364
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yeah I didn't know quite what to expect

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I was speaking on a topic that I am

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definitely not an expert in and that's

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you know the Bermuda Triangle and

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triangles other triangles yeah out the

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world I'd written briefly about it in an

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article for Jim Herald and someone

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caught wind of it at this [\h__\h] at this

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you know a small town in Nova Scotia and

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why do you talk about this yeah yeah

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sure why not

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so um I got out of my comfort zone I did

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extensive research and I was able to

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find five other mysterious triangles

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throughout the world nice that had

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similar incidents that happened similar

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to the Bermuda Triangle planes crashing

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ships disappearing people vanishing

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cryptids UFOs everything you can

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possibly think of I made some

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connections but for the most part it was

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more about how we sort of shaped these

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mysteries into a triangle okay you know

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when one weird thing happened somewhere

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oh well it's between this town this town

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in this town it's a triangle so I think

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we we do have the Bermuda Triangle to

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thank for that every small town one's

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their own triangle yeah so it is more of

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a sociological study at that point I

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think which I found just as intriguing

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and that's kind of what I brought

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forward in the talk interesting yeah so

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yeah I think I don't know I don't know

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about you but I think as humans we tend

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to force things on things that aren't

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necessarily there

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one thing I'm thinking of in particular

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is our friend Chuck Zukowski and

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something you recently talked about the

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paranormal highway you know looking at a

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line a parallel line a line of latitude

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where mysterious things happen to fall

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along this point of line across the

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country they just so happened to line up

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perfectly on this line they don't

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actually you know some of it's a stretch

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but is there something there there

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certainly could be because when you look

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at it when you hear the evidence you

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hear you know what he's identified your

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own well there could be something to

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that why look at that area 51's right on

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that interesting but you know who knows

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who knows if we're you know just forcing

419
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that forcing something that doesn't

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exist you know on to something that

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makes sense to us or is there something

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genuinely there I think that's a good

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way to look at it in terms of you have

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all these people who talk about ley

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lines you know like oh it falls from

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this rice gotta be it's not to be I

427
00:17:53,480 --> 00:17:50,340
think we tend to want to simplify things

428
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put them in a box you and I deal with

429
00:17:59,030 --> 00:17:55,710
this in the UFO field a lot that the

430
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only answer for UFOs is alien sure and

431
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we both know that that probably should

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say we know we're not only keen to the

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ETH the extra-terrestrial hypothesis

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there could be a million different

435
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reasons for UFOs in the sky under the

436
00:18:18,140 --> 00:18:14,930
water well whatever they might be but

437
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for so long when people think of UFOs

438
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they think of aliens right and I think

439
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that's that's extremely limiting and

440
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it's tough it's tough to get people away

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from that right every TV show you know

442
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wants you to think it's alien rights and

443
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we're here saying look it could be

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something else it's yeah that's that's

445
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the tough thing and it's it's tough to

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get people to understand that and

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especially people in the UFO field you

448
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know because a lot of there's a lot of

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belief there you know a lot of wanting

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to believe that there are

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extraterrestrials and not just that

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there are extraterrestrials but the

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mysterious things we're seeing in this

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guy are courtesy of extraterrestrials

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that is certainly a possibility and I

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always want to stress to people that

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that is definitely a possibility

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but we're

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responsible in looking at the stuff and

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we're saying that 95% of all UFO

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sightings can be explained in those 95%

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of UFOs a lot of that stuff is you have

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to remember those are things that people

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are seeing and reporting is UFOs or

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things that they don't recognize in the

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sky so even some of those and the

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remaining 5% could be extraterrestrial

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but they could also be some of those

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things that are identified in the 95%

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but things in the sky can look super

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weird because there's a lot of stuff up

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there that on a day-to-day basis we're

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not used to seeing so you know people

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get tired of hearing things explained

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away as Chinese lanterns but Chinese

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lanterns aren't something that everybody

477
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sees in the sky every day yeah

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when you see a Chinese Lantern in the

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sky it looks weird and you see a rocket

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launch in the sky it looks weird when

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you have certain environmental you know

482
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weather conditions with clouds or

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whatever the situation might be that's

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going to affect how something appears in

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the sky so you might say oh I've seen a

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rocket launch and it didn't look like

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that well that was one rocket that was

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one rocket launch you could have

489
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different situation yeah there's so many

490
00:20:20,269 --> 00:20:17,969
variables and so many variables that

491
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happen all the time and you know blimps

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weather balloons missiles you know all

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sorts of things that are happening in

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the sky

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if skydivers with flares on their feet

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you know airplanes that there are

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specific companies and specific

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skydiving companies who specialize in

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doing nighttime dives with flares and

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fireworks and stuff to create these

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nighttime effects which that's what they

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do

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it looks awesome again it's not

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something you see all the time so when

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you see it in the sky you're holy [\h__\h]

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that is so bizarre I've never seen

507
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anything do like that and you say and I

508
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know about those skydivers who have

509
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flares on their feet and they can't go

510
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up and do loop-de-loops and stuff so it

511
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can't be skydivers yeah but there are

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plane companies that specialize in that

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too so it's just you know there's a lot

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out there that people people in the

515
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general public aren't aware of that

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exists and it's not something you see on

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a day-to-day basis so when you do see it

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it's [\h__\h] weird

519
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and you're gonna go holy [\h__\h] that's a

520
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UFO but there's just

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that people aren't accustomed to seeing

522
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so you know people get really excited

523
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when they see weird stuff and I know I'm

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guilty of it too like being in the UFO

525
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field seeing everything that I've seen

526
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for so many years

527
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like I'm still guilty of that when I see

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something that immediately in my mind I

529
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don't have an explanation for I get

530
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giddy I'm a schoolboy I'm jumping up and

531
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down what but you know you have to step

532
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back and understand that there is a lot

533
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there that has rational explanation yeah

534
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but at the same time knowing that and I

535
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have to tell myself this but knowing

536
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everything I know and being able to

537
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identify everything I can't identify I

538
00:22:02,720 --> 00:22:00,779
always have to remind myself it just

539
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because I see something and I think I

540
00:22:07,639 --> 00:22:05,010
know what it is that's just my opinion

541
00:22:10,190 --> 00:22:07,649
that's my thought at the time based on

542
00:22:12,289 --> 00:22:10,200
the information that I have it doesn't

543
00:22:15,980 --> 00:22:12,299
rule out aliens that's still a

544
00:22:18,380 --> 00:22:15,990
possibility the key here is to be open

545
00:22:20,659 --> 00:22:18,390
to possibilities and you can still

546
00:22:22,190 --> 00:22:20,669
unless you can absolutely write it off

547
00:22:24,769 --> 00:22:22,200
you can always entertain that

548
00:22:27,350 --> 00:22:24,779
extraterrestrial possibility yeah well

549
00:22:30,409 --> 00:22:27,360
let's take for instance the when I was

550
00:22:34,310 --> 00:22:30,419
at this conference this past weekend we

551
00:22:36,409 --> 00:22:34,320
did a ghost on and it was something I'd

552
00:22:40,310 --> 00:22:36,419
never done before okay and i will admit

553
00:22:44,600 --> 00:22:40,320
i don't necessarily not big on ghosts

554
00:22:46,580 --> 00:22:44,610
i've never had really anything i would

555
00:22:49,190 --> 00:22:46,590
consider a legitimate paranormal

556
00:22:51,830 --> 00:22:49,200
experience which is nothing with me yeah

557
00:22:54,019 --> 00:22:51,840
i will believe in aliens I've believe in

558
00:22:56,120 --> 00:22:54,029
UFOs but like when it comes to ghosts I

559
00:22:59,000 --> 00:22:56,130
don't know if it's a fear of believer in

560
00:23:01,159 --> 00:22:59,010
it but um so I was really closed off

561
00:23:04,279 --> 00:23:01,169
when we went to do this go to town and I

562
00:23:05,539 --> 00:23:04,289
think that that has a lot to do with it

563
00:23:08,360 --> 00:23:05,549
too like if you're closed off

564
00:23:11,299 --> 00:23:08,370
immediately to something if you're that

565
00:23:14,870 --> 00:23:11,309
skeptical even if something legitimate

566
00:23:17,899 --> 00:23:14,880
or genuinely paranormal or just

567
00:23:20,720 --> 00:23:17,909
anomalous happened you just would brush

568
00:23:22,789 --> 00:23:20,730
it off now or you know find some sort of

569
00:23:24,980 --> 00:23:22,799
prosaic answer for it but I will tell

570
00:23:27,529 --> 00:23:24,990
you there are things that happened at

571
00:23:30,289 --> 00:23:27,539
that ghost hunt that come

572
00:23:33,739 --> 00:23:30,299
they changed like I wouldn't say my

573
00:23:36,259 --> 00:23:33,749
belief sir but completely swayed me the

574
00:23:41,060 --> 00:23:36,269
other way that something really weird

575
00:23:44,570 --> 00:23:41,070
happened I felt I smelled I saw and I

576
00:23:46,219 --> 00:23:44,580
experienced things that were not normal

577
00:23:48,739 --> 00:23:46,229
yeah we're foreign to me

578
00:23:51,710 --> 00:23:48,749
yeah and that was pretty pretty

579
00:23:54,349 --> 00:23:51,720
life-altering I'd say and it happened

580
00:23:56,840 --> 00:23:54,359
within like five seconds the laws

581
00:23:58,999 --> 00:23:56,850
changed everything for me that's awesome

582
00:24:01,399 --> 00:23:59,009
I'm not saying I'm like I'm gonna go out

583
00:24:03,739 --> 00:24:01,409
and go Sun and start talking to spirits

584
00:24:06,200 --> 00:24:03,749
right I think that's another thing we

585
00:24:08,180 --> 00:24:06,210
have to keep in mind when you have these

586
00:24:12,979 --> 00:24:08,190
experiences they're extremely personal

587
00:24:14,119 --> 00:24:12,989
and your tuner whatever that may be if

588
00:24:15,919 --> 00:24:14,129
it's in your heart

589
00:24:18,799 --> 00:24:15,929
in your brain and your perception of

590
00:24:21,080 --> 00:24:18,809
what you're experiencing that's you

591
00:24:22,639 --> 00:24:21,090
that's only you that there's an account

592
00:24:24,200 --> 00:24:22,649
for everyone else in the room and what

593
00:24:26,719 --> 00:24:24,210
they're experiencing right in that

594
00:24:28,639 --> 00:24:26,729
moment so I think that's interesting too

595
00:24:30,320 --> 00:24:28,649
we run in that run into that with the

596
00:24:32,719 --> 00:24:30,330
UFO feel to people see something in the

597
00:24:34,759 --> 00:24:32,729
sky one person sees one thing one hears

598
00:24:36,080 --> 00:24:34,769
another well sees this it's it's

599
00:24:38,149 --> 00:24:36,090
interesting not something that I

600
00:24:42,349 --> 00:24:38,159
definitely seen an experience firsthand

601
00:24:44,029 --> 00:24:42,359
with with ghost hunts is how different

602
00:24:46,639 --> 00:24:44,039
it is for everybody you know I've been

603
00:24:49,669 --> 00:24:46,649
in the same room standing right next to

604
00:24:52,519 --> 00:24:49,679
somebody who has experienced something

605
00:24:55,519 --> 00:24:52,529
and I guess two people actually

606
00:24:57,849 --> 00:24:55,529
experience the same thing and nobody

607
00:25:00,049 --> 00:24:57,859
else in this room of like 15 people

608
00:25:03,560 --> 00:25:00,059
experience the same thing what are you

609
00:25:04,999 --> 00:25:03,570
talking about but that happens and it's

610
00:25:07,940 --> 00:25:05,009
kind of a common thing where it's just

611
00:25:11,180 --> 00:25:07,950
isolated to certain people for some

612
00:25:12,889 --> 00:25:11,190
reason and it's fascinating I could go

613
00:25:14,839 --> 00:25:12,899
off on all sorts of tangents with ghosts

614
00:25:18,049 --> 00:25:14,849
though I get so upset with ghosts and

615
00:25:19,249 --> 00:25:18,059
ghost hunting and like with UFOs man I

616
00:25:21,409 --> 00:25:19,259
mean there's a lot of assumption that

617
00:25:23,299 --> 00:25:21,419
goes on yeah you know and with ghosts

618
00:25:25,969 --> 00:25:23,309
like number one I think a lot of people

619
00:25:28,489 --> 00:25:25,979
who do ghost hunts are very I don't know

620
00:25:31,190 --> 00:25:28,499
if I were a ghost I would be offended at

621
00:25:33,289 --> 00:25:31,200
how like ghost hunters talked down to go

622
00:25:36,729 --> 00:25:33,299
just like they're like juveniles or

623
00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:36,739
something like move this pencil or like

624
00:25:43,220 --> 00:25:41,010
we're not here to harm you know

625
00:25:46,640 --> 00:25:43,230
this thing in front of me is so you can

626
00:25:48,800 --> 00:25:46,650
tell us you're here if you're here would

627
00:25:51,140 --> 00:25:48,810
you please make it light up like

628
00:25:53,690 --> 00:25:51,150
seriously yeah if you really think these

629
00:25:55,700 --> 00:25:53,700
are you know people who died and you

630
00:25:57,800 --> 00:25:55,710
know or adults and whatever like talk to

631
00:25:58,820 --> 00:25:57,810
him like adults like stop being

632
00:26:00,620 --> 00:25:58,830
demeaning stop treating them like

633
00:26:02,330 --> 00:26:00,630
children like have a normal conversation

634
00:26:04,610 --> 00:26:02,340
with them yeah yeah and say okay we're

635
00:26:06,470 --> 00:26:04,620
here we know you're dead whatever we'd

636
00:26:08,930 --> 00:26:06,480
love to like have interaction with you

637
00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:08,940
you know we have a recorder here you

638
00:26:11,360 --> 00:26:10,170
know if you talk we'll be able to hear

639
00:26:13,130 --> 00:26:11,370
you later we can't hear you right now

640
00:26:14,990 --> 00:26:13,140
for whatever reason but if you would

641
00:26:16,460 --> 00:26:15,000
have a conversation say that and we'll

642
00:26:18,170 --> 00:26:16,470
hear it later they'd be cool Thanks

643
00:26:20,840 --> 00:26:18,180
I would like talk to him like normal

644
00:26:22,340 --> 00:26:20,850
people and also the people who usually

645
00:26:24,140 --> 00:26:22,350
say like we're not here to hurt you

646
00:26:25,040 --> 00:26:24,150
they're the ones who are the [\h__\h] you

647
00:26:26,270 --> 00:26:25,050
know they're the ones who are gonna

648
00:26:28,550 --> 00:26:26,280
freak out and run away if anything

649
00:26:29,300 --> 00:26:28,560
happens like they're saying that and

650
00:26:31,970 --> 00:26:29,310
they're worried the ghosts are gonna

651
00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:31,980
hurt them we're not gonna hurt she

652
00:26:35,300 --> 00:26:33,210
wasn't gonna do to a ghost give me a

653
00:26:38,120 --> 00:26:35,310
break boy I you know I mean it's gonna

654
00:26:40,310 --> 00:26:38,130
be just kind of really annoy the go so

655
00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:40,320
really did you just say that if you're

656
00:26:45,740 --> 00:26:43,530
not here to hurt me you gotta wonder if

657
00:26:49,010 --> 00:26:45,750
aliens are thinking the same thing you

658
00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:49,020
know exactly exactly right indicate with

659
00:26:53,630 --> 00:26:51,210
them it's like come on well and again

660
00:26:55,670 --> 00:26:53,640
what ghosts like we're just assuming

661
00:26:57,770 --> 00:26:55,680
these things are quote-unquote ghosts

662
00:27:01,280 --> 00:26:57,780
like who's to say they're not aliens

663
00:27:02,870 --> 00:27:01,290
like people in a UFO world love to talk

664
00:27:04,700 --> 00:27:02,880
about interdimensional beings and all

665
00:27:06,980 --> 00:27:04,710
this stuff like we're talking about the

666
00:27:08,780 --> 00:27:06,990
unknown things that we don't know we're

667
00:27:10,520 --> 00:27:08,790
encountering these mysterious things

668
00:27:12,410 --> 00:27:10,530
things that we can't explain things that

669
00:27:14,630 --> 00:27:12,420
we don't really understand we kind of

670
00:27:16,730 --> 00:27:14,640
understand some of the interactions we

671
00:27:19,970 --> 00:27:16,740
have with them and and you know what

672
00:27:21,620 --> 00:27:19,980
other people have said but we really

673
00:27:23,890 --> 00:27:21,630
know that they're ghosts they're spirits

674
00:27:25,790 --> 00:27:23,900
of dead people like could they be

675
00:27:27,590 --> 00:27:25,800
interdimensional beings or you know

676
00:27:29,450 --> 00:27:27,600
aliens who are here we're like cloaked

677
00:27:31,220 --> 00:27:29,460
like the predator or like what are they

678
00:27:33,020 --> 00:27:31,230
we don't know but you know we're

679
00:27:36,260 --> 00:27:33,030
interacting with something that is not

680
00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:36,270
us that something mysterious and so I

681
00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:38,010
don't know it could it be Bigfoot I mean

682
00:27:43,370 --> 00:27:39,930
it could be like all the quotes against

683
00:27:46,190 --> 00:27:43,380
all sorts of things you know so to like

684
00:27:47,690 --> 00:27:46,200
put everything in that one pile of

685
00:27:50,300 --> 00:27:47,700
ghosts you know

686
00:27:52,130 --> 00:27:50,310
that's weird to me it's like we're I

687
00:27:54,080 --> 00:27:52,140
mean I we like to compartmentalize

688
00:27:54,710 --> 00:27:54,090
things and put things in Nice packages

689
00:27:56,419 --> 00:27:54,720
you

690
00:27:59,270 --> 00:27:56,429
just like people with UFOs we like to

691
00:28:00,980 --> 00:27:59,280
think that UFOs are extraterrestrial and

692
00:28:02,450 --> 00:28:00,990
we like to think that aliens are either

693
00:28:04,100 --> 00:28:02,460
all good or all bad

694
00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:04,110
you know we want to put a label on

695
00:28:08,840 --> 00:28:06,330
something and have it be consistent yeah

696
00:28:11,029 --> 00:28:08,850
and it's never that no and I don't think

697
00:28:15,409 --> 00:28:11,039
if we ever find an answer let's say to

698
00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:15,419
the UFO mystery that it's gonna be that

699
00:28:20,539 --> 00:28:18,210
easy you know it absolutely can't be

700
00:28:22,669 --> 00:28:20,549
certainly if it's not you know the the

701
00:28:25,010 --> 00:28:22,679
narrative where we're trying to put

702
00:28:27,940 --> 00:28:25,020
together you know in that the universe

703
00:28:30,140 --> 00:28:27,950
is vast and there's an infinite you know

704
00:28:33,590 --> 00:28:30,150
infinite life out there all sorts of

705
00:28:38,419 --> 00:28:33,600
varying communities and types of life

706
00:28:39,770 --> 00:28:38,429
and you know all of their motives and

707
00:28:43,250 --> 00:28:39,780
interests and things are going to be

708
00:28:45,590 --> 00:28:43,260
different just among individual

709
00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:45,600
civilizations I mean again when we talk

710
00:28:50,090 --> 00:28:48,090
about astrobiology and extraterrestrial

711
00:28:53,930 --> 00:28:50,100
life and intelligent extraterrestrial

712
00:28:56,270 --> 00:28:53,940
life we are basing that off of life as

713
00:28:59,919 --> 00:28:56,280
we know it and what we understand is

714
00:29:02,299 --> 00:28:59,929
life and civilizations and communities

715
00:29:05,020 --> 00:29:02,309
because we have nothing else to base it

716
00:29:07,460 --> 00:29:05,030
on so we're using human ideas and

717
00:29:09,890 --> 00:29:07,470
putting that on something else that's

718
00:29:12,740 --> 00:29:09,900
most likely not going to be human at all

719
00:29:15,350 --> 00:29:12,750
or human-like but that's what we have to

720
00:29:18,380 --> 00:29:15,360
base things on yeah so we look at that

721
00:29:21,740 --> 00:29:18,390
and just using that as an example

722
00:29:25,820 --> 00:29:21,750
looking at humanity obviously there's so

723
00:29:28,460 --> 00:29:25,830
much variation with humans let alone

724
00:29:30,590 --> 00:29:28,470
countries and cultures and all of that

725
00:29:31,789 --> 00:29:30,600
we're all different we all have

726
00:29:33,470 --> 00:29:31,799
different interests we all have

727
00:29:37,250 --> 00:29:33,480
different motives for doing whatever we

728
00:29:39,260 --> 00:29:37,260
do so I don't I will never understand

729
00:29:41,419 --> 00:29:39,270
why people have a difficult time

730
00:29:43,340 --> 00:29:41,429
grasping that or fixating on the

731
00:29:46,460 --> 00:29:43,350
question of our aliens good or are they

732
00:29:49,070 --> 00:29:46,470
bad like I think the easy answer is yes

733
00:29:52,190 --> 00:29:49,080
yes good point so we're going to be good

734
00:29:53,840 --> 00:29:52,200
so we're going to be bad like if they're

735
00:29:56,330 --> 00:29:53,850
not just like the Borg you know a

736
00:29:58,370 --> 00:29:56,340
collective mind like they're going to be

737
00:30:01,130 --> 00:29:58,380
different and we like to believe that

738
00:30:04,010 --> 00:30:01,140
there are you know all sorts a multitude

739
00:30:06,020 --> 00:30:04,020
of races and civilizations out there so

740
00:30:07,580 --> 00:30:06,030
obviously there's going to be a lot of

741
00:30:09,529 --> 00:30:07,590
everything

742
00:30:11,570 --> 00:30:09,539
yeah so the reason for being here you

743
00:30:13,009 --> 00:30:11,580
know or aliens coming to eat us are they

744
00:30:14,509 --> 00:30:13,019
coming to take our resources are they

745
00:30:16,159 --> 00:30:14,519
coming to be friends are they coming to

746
00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:16,169
warn us of nuclear war what are they

747
00:30:22,039 --> 00:30:20,730
doing yes all of that like you know if

748
00:30:25,129 --> 00:30:22,049
there really are all these civilizations

749
00:30:26,690 --> 00:30:25,139
out there that are able to travel

750
00:30:28,610 --> 00:30:26,700
through space and are visiting earth

751
00:30:30,110 --> 00:30:28,620
like I think the answer is yes to all of

752
00:30:33,259 --> 00:30:30,120
that I think it's a bit of everything

753
00:30:35,360 --> 00:30:33,269
yeah that's a great point I mean we we

754
00:30:37,909 --> 00:30:35,370
have like the contactee movement back in

755
00:30:39,950 --> 00:30:37,919
the 60s and 70s preaching you know that

756
00:30:43,369 --> 00:30:39,960
these aliens are here to stop nuclear

757
00:30:46,129 --> 00:30:43,379
war to help the environment and it's

758
00:30:48,049 --> 00:30:46,139
like really really they came from vast

759
00:30:50,450 --> 00:30:48,059
distances they have no idea how to

760
00:30:52,430 --> 00:30:50,460
communicate with us they you know their

761
00:30:55,700 --> 00:30:52,440
makeup is completely different their

762
00:30:57,409 --> 00:30:55,710
ethical scale could be non-existent and

763
00:30:59,720 --> 00:30:57,419
they're gonna come here to be like you

764
00:31:01,970 --> 00:30:59,730
need to stop putting candy wrappers on

765
00:31:04,039 --> 00:31:01,980
the lawn that's another one of my pet

766
00:31:05,509 --> 00:31:04,049
peeves dude so same thing I think

767
00:31:07,460 --> 00:31:05,519
probably I with ghosts and like ghost

768
00:31:09,859 --> 00:31:07,470
hunting shows and in horror movies too

769
00:31:11,149 --> 00:31:09,869
just the issue with communication like

770
00:31:14,389 --> 00:31:11,159
in horror movies you always see it with

771
00:31:16,909 --> 00:31:14,399
ghosts like they'll like mumble and make

772
00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:16,919
noises and grunt and groan and freak

773
00:31:19,759 --> 00:31:18,330
people out and do all sorts of

774
00:31:21,289 --> 00:31:19,769
questionable things and then in the end

775
00:31:22,340 --> 00:31:21,299
they'll finally like communicate with

776
00:31:24,289 --> 00:31:22,350
somebody and tell them what they really

777
00:31:25,820 --> 00:31:24,299
want they're like trying to get help to

778
00:31:28,220 --> 00:31:25,830
resolve certain issues they have or

779
00:31:31,249 --> 00:31:28,230
whatever but I would scream at the TV

780
00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:31,259
and well if you can talk use your words

781
00:31:34,549 --> 00:31:33,090
like be more effective in your

782
00:31:36,919 --> 00:31:34,559
communication you have the ability to

783
00:31:38,299 --> 00:31:36,929
communicate communicate tell us what you

784
00:31:40,940 --> 00:31:38,309
want why are you here and what you want

785
00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:40,950
us to do so I think with with aliens and

786
00:31:45,259 --> 00:31:42,690
people who say that you know aliens come

787
00:31:48,259 --> 00:31:45,269
to them and deliver an important message

788
00:31:50,539 --> 00:31:48,269
to them like we need you to spread the

789
00:31:52,539 --> 00:31:50,549
word that you know humans need to change

790
00:31:56,720 --> 00:31:52,549
because they're going to ruin the earth

791
00:31:58,220 --> 00:31:56,730
alright so here we are the same people

792
00:32:00,220 --> 00:31:58,230
who say this are the people who believe

793
00:32:02,450 --> 00:32:00,230
that aliens are vastly superior

794
00:32:05,090 --> 00:32:02,460
technologically and can communicate

795
00:32:08,810 --> 00:32:05,100
telepathically and you know these higher

796
00:32:11,989 --> 00:32:08,820
beings they decide it's the best course

797
00:32:14,149 --> 00:32:11,999
of action to go to one [\h__\h] in the

798
00:32:16,820 --> 00:32:14,159
middle of nowhere and deliver this

799
00:32:19,129 --> 00:32:16,830
important message and say alright now

800
00:32:21,620 --> 00:32:19,139
it's on you but you saved the world yeah

801
00:32:23,540 --> 00:32:21,630
like really know if they

802
00:32:25,460 --> 00:32:23,550
the ability to communicate and they have

803
00:32:26,900 --> 00:32:25,470
this vast technology and they could

804
00:32:28,910 --> 00:32:26,910
communicate telepathically

805
00:32:31,430 --> 00:32:28,920
what are they broadcast a message like

806
00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:31,440
tell everybody like they have the

807
00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:34,170
ability but they don't so either they're

808
00:32:39,820 --> 00:32:35,970
[\h__\h] or they don't have the ability

809
00:32:42,590 --> 00:32:39,830
I don't get it it's the oldest story in

810
00:32:45,380 --> 00:32:42,600
human history yeah you know giving this

811
00:32:47,210 --> 00:32:45,390
message to one person to spread amongst

812
00:32:49,670 --> 00:32:47,220
the people I mean look at Christianity

813
00:32:52,100 --> 00:32:49,680
that's all it's based on right is

814
00:32:54,530 --> 00:32:52,110
putting this on one man's shoulder yeah

815
00:32:57,560 --> 00:32:54,540
to spread the word nope

816
00:32:59,660 --> 00:32:57,570
so again that whole idea of belief

817
00:33:02,840 --> 00:32:59,670
system comes in a lot of people believe

818
00:33:07,250 --> 00:33:02,850
that ufology is nothing but a religion

819
00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:07,260
and at times I can't argue that I try to

820
00:33:12,800 --> 00:33:10,370
defend that it is not that there is a

821
00:33:14,450 --> 00:33:12,810
extremely rigorous scientific approach

822
00:33:16,340 --> 00:33:14,460
by some within ufology

823
00:33:19,820 --> 00:33:16,350
there's a philosophical approach there's

824
00:33:23,090 --> 00:33:19,830
a psychological approach but a lot of it

825
00:33:26,510 --> 00:33:23,100
is does rest on belief oh absolutely and

826
00:33:30,410 --> 00:33:26,520
in and in a way it has to be you know

827
00:33:33,470 --> 00:33:30,420
yes it does but it doesn't have to be to

828
00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:33,480
the extreme of religion and that

829
00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:35,370
component does exist yeah well yeah I

830
00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:36,690
mean when we're when we're completely

831
00:33:43,280 --> 00:33:39,210
honest with ourselves yes when it comes

832
00:33:45,590 --> 00:33:43,290
down to it a big portion of this does

833
00:33:48,320 --> 00:33:45,600
rest on belief and you know what I'm

834
00:33:51,080 --> 00:33:48,330
fine with that yeah but that keeps me

835
00:33:52,940 --> 00:33:51,090
going you know we're we're looking for

836
00:33:55,550 --> 00:33:52,950
for evidence for that proof for the

837
00:33:57,920 --> 00:33:55,560
thing to convince us of of new things

838
00:33:59,450 --> 00:33:57,930
and you know more than just just stories

839
00:34:01,850 --> 00:33:59,460
or things that are told to us by other

840
00:34:03,800 --> 00:34:01,860
people so you know we're on that quest

841
00:34:07,670 --> 00:34:03,810
you know and that's a quest we'll be on

842
00:34:09,649 --> 00:34:07,680
a forever but it's having that belief

843
00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:09,659
that keeps us going on that path yeah

844
00:34:13,700 --> 00:34:11,850
and not being content with that belief

845
00:34:16,879 --> 00:34:13,710
you know understanding that that belief

846
00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:16,889
is just a belief and those beliefs can

847
00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:20,490
change and I think that's a problem with

848
00:34:24,680 --> 00:34:23,010
with many people is they are ingrained

849
00:34:27,020 --> 00:34:24,690
in the beliefs because they've been told

850
00:34:29,240 --> 00:34:27,030
certain things and anything that comes

851
00:34:33,080 --> 00:34:29,250
after that that conflicts with what

852
00:34:34,790 --> 00:34:33,090
they've been told so no that's wrong and

853
00:34:35,550 --> 00:34:34,800
they're not going to change their

854
00:34:38,040 --> 00:34:35,560
beliefs

855
00:34:42,649 --> 00:34:38,050
and we live at least here in America

856
00:34:44,700 --> 00:34:42,659
right now in a time where your belief is

857
00:34:46,919 --> 00:34:44,710
not going to be changed

858
00:34:50,149 --> 00:34:46,929
I'm inserted topics from here looking at

859
00:34:52,379 --> 00:34:50,159
it politically or anything else people

860
00:34:55,230 --> 00:34:52,389
you're not gonna change anyone's mind

861
00:34:57,420 --> 00:34:55,240
yelman certain things and we leave we

862
00:35:00,360 --> 00:34:57,430
live in such extremes right now in this

863
00:35:04,590 --> 00:35:00,370
country which is scary that you know

864
00:35:06,870 --> 00:35:04,600
it's pretty scary but I think the same

865
00:35:09,390 --> 00:35:06,880
could be said for the field of ufology

866
00:35:12,330 --> 00:35:09,400
you know even if you have an explanation

867
00:35:15,750 --> 00:35:12,340
for something someone's gonna come up

868
00:35:19,260 --> 00:35:15,760
and say no no I know the truth yeah I

869
00:35:22,290 --> 00:35:19,270
know it was a blue avian alien bird that

870
00:35:24,150 --> 00:35:22,300
came and gave me a message and you're

871
00:35:27,180 --> 00:35:24,160
not gonna change their mind that's right

872
00:35:29,580 --> 00:35:27,190
I simply not that's right yeah you don't

873
00:35:30,810 --> 00:35:29,590
need to try like people some people have

874
00:35:32,670 --> 00:35:30,820
made up their minds and that's how it's

875
00:35:35,730 --> 00:35:32,680
gonna be my mind is made up

876
00:35:38,490 --> 00:35:35,740
that's right so you know good for them

877
00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:38,500
yeah you know so you move on you know I

878
00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:41,050
I decided a long time ago that you know

879
00:35:46,830 --> 00:35:43,810
it's not my job to to preach to anybody

880
00:35:49,560 --> 00:35:46,840
or change anybody's mind you know I'm

881
00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:49,570
happy to relay the information that that

882
00:35:53,940 --> 00:35:52,450
I find that I uncover present the news

883
00:35:55,110 --> 00:35:53,950
to people and let people make up their

884
00:35:57,720 --> 00:35:55,120
own minds that's the way it's gonna be

885
00:35:59,670 --> 00:35:57,730
you know it's not my job to to tell

886
00:36:01,680 --> 00:35:59,680
people how to think or to change their

887
00:36:05,660 --> 00:36:01,690
minds yeah that's all on them and you

888
00:36:08,370 --> 00:36:05,670
know it's it's really a humanity issue

889
00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:08,380
with deciding to believe things people

890
00:36:12,300 --> 00:36:10,810
generally want to be told how to think

891
00:36:14,700 --> 00:36:12,310
frankly and that's you know why people

892
00:36:18,090 --> 00:36:14,710
gravitate toward religion or political

893
00:36:20,220 --> 00:36:18,100
parties or football teams or you know we

894
00:36:22,380 --> 00:36:20,230
that's that's just how we are as humans

895
00:36:23,970 --> 00:36:22,390
you know we we decide what team we're

896
00:36:27,240 --> 00:36:23,980
gonna going to be on or team we're gonna

897
00:36:29,730 --> 00:36:27,250
root for and that's it yeah we drive in

898
00:36:31,980 --> 00:36:29,740
and we support until the end so right

899
00:36:34,890 --> 00:36:31,990
and then when you're that far in that

900
00:36:36,930 --> 00:36:34,900
deep that's right it's what you don't

901
00:36:39,420 --> 00:36:36,940
want to turn back then that's right yeah

902
00:36:42,300 --> 00:36:39,430
yeah majority of people you know are not

903
00:36:45,990 --> 00:36:42,310
gonna be that person who you know wants

904
00:36:47,079 --> 00:36:46,000
to take that hit and doesn't want to you

905
00:36:52,150 --> 00:36:47,089
know admit

906
00:36:54,729 --> 00:36:52,160
Hey I was wrong good I read and yeah

907
00:36:56,349 --> 00:36:54,739
yeah I was wrong

908
00:37:00,849 --> 00:36:56,359
well I mean we can look at someone like

909
00:37:02,620 --> 00:37:00,859
I know someone we both find as a pretty

910
00:37:05,589 --> 00:37:02,630
good hero in that Stanton Friedman

911
00:37:10,959 --> 00:37:05,599
you know for so long this man has been

912
00:37:15,069 --> 00:37:10,969
touting the mj-12 document and he's so

913
00:37:17,589 --> 00:37:15,079
far into his life and his career and his

914
00:37:19,180 --> 00:37:17,599
age you know that he there's no turning

915
00:37:20,559 --> 00:37:19,190
back for him right he's never gonna come

916
00:37:21,640 --> 00:37:20,569
out and say oh that's right they're a

917
00:37:23,259 --> 00:37:21,650
complete [\h__\h]

918
00:37:25,630 --> 00:37:23,269
yeah he's never gonna come out and say

919
00:37:27,759 --> 00:37:25,640
it and nobody expects him to at this

920
00:37:31,180 --> 00:37:27,769
point in his life to go it's in his 80s

921
00:37:33,459 --> 00:37:31,190
you know still witty and sharpest

922
00:37:35,620 --> 00:37:33,469
attacked at the same time stubborn as

923
00:37:38,469 --> 00:37:35,630
hell and convinced that these things

924
00:37:40,660 --> 00:37:38,479
were real Bianchi mj-12 documents but

925
00:37:42,309 --> 00:37:40,670
yeah you have to wonder or you have

926
00:37:45,339 --> 00:37:42,319
someone like Peter Robbins our good

927
00:37:48,009 --> 00:37:45,349
friend who for years and years defended

928
00:37:52,089 --> 00:37:48,019
a person supposedly involved in a very

929
00:37:54,670 --> 00:37:52,099
famous UFO incident and now has had his

930
00:37:55,089 --> 00:37:54,680
hand forced and had to admit that he was

931
00:37:58,059 --> 00:37:55,099
wrong

932
00:38:00,339 --> 00:37:58,069
yeah so you have it on both sides you

933
00:38:03,910 --> 00:38:00,349
have those people who are who find

934
00:38:05,769 --> 00:38:03,920
humility in a situation and find that

935
00:38:07,209 --> 00:38:05,779
you know that truth deep within them to

936
00:38:10,749 --> 00:38:07,219
say I was wrong

937
00:38:12,729 --> 00:38:10,759
let's move on yeah so you have to wonder

938
00:38:14,200 --> 00:38:12,739
you really have to wonder it really

939
00:38:15,910 --> 00:38:14,210
comes down to the character of a person

940
00:38:18,039 --> 00:38:15,920
absolutely it does and I think that's

941
00:38:20,950 --> 00:38:18,049
something important for us all to

942
00:38:23,739 --> 00:38:20,960
remember especially you know people as

943
00:38:25,809 --> 00:38:23,749
researchers in the UFO field you know

944
00:38:29,140 --> 00:38:25,819
sometimes it it's easy to get frustrated

945
00:38:32,109 --> 00:38:29,150
by things happening in in the study of

946
00:38:33,249 --> 00:38:32,119
UFOs in the UFO community but you know

947
00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:33,259
we have to remember that we're all

948
00:38:38,739 --> 00:38:36,410
individuals and we're all different we

949
00:38:40,029 --> 00:38:38,749
all different personalities people you

950
00:38:41,709 --> 00:38:40,039
know interact differently people

951
00:38:43,839 --> 00:38:41,719
approach things differently and people

952
00:38:47,890 --> 00:38:43,849
have certain certainly different levels

953
00:38:49,599 --> 00:38:47,900
of humility and it's easy to get stuck

954
00:38:51,910 --> 00:38:49,609
in your ways and that's just what you're

955
00:38:54,700 --> 00:38:51,920
gonna do but ultimately it comes down to

956
00:38:57,130 --> 00:38:54,710
the person so yeah I think it's

957
00:39:00,070 --> 00:38:57,140
important to to remember that you know

958
00:39:03,580 --> 00:39:00,080
especially for me I just have to be

959
00:39:07,900 --> 00:39:03,590
with the fact that I am not trying to

960
00:39:10,390 --> 00:39:07,910
force ideas on anybody I am not a

961
00:39:13,270 --> 00:39:10,400
preacher or a cult leader or Steven

962
00:39:15,910 --> 00:39:13,280
Greer oops did I just say that yes I did

963
00:39:17,830 --> 00:39:15,920
you know I don't I don't have answers so

964
00:39:20,110 --> 00:39:17,840
don't listen to me like I will just tell

965
00:39:23,050 --> 00:39:20,120
you what I know would I find out what I

966
00:39:25,810 --> 00:39:23,060
learn along the way but that's it man

967
00:39:28,690 --> 00:39:25,820
I'm just a guy digging into this like

968
00:39:32,200 --> 00:39:28,700
everybody else and I'm happy to present

969
00:39:35,650 --> 00:39:32,210
my is best I can

970
00:39:37,150 --> 00:39:35,660
my objective view of things and people

971
00:39:39,370 --> 00:39:37,160
can take that and do with it what they

972
00:39:43,330 --> 00:39:39,380
want yeah and if they don't agree with

973
00:39:45,430 --> 00:39:43,340
you you know I'm I'm not gonna come up

974
00:39:47,830 --> 00:39:45,440
to you and say hey you're wrong I'm

975
00:39:50,560 --> 00:39:47,840
right you're wrong damn right because

976
00:39:52,060 --> 00:39:50,570
you know what I don't know like you

977
00:39:54,340 --> 00:39:52,070
could certainly be right and I could be

978
00:39:56,650 --> 00:39:54,350
completely wrong that's fantastic

979
00:39:59,560 --> 00:39:56,660
you know good for you I'm happy to be

980
00:40:00,340 --> 00:39:59,570
wrong but you know I'm not gonna tell

981
00:40:01,900 --> 00:40:00,350
you that

982
00:40:04,360 --> 00:40:01,910
oh I'm hundred percent right and I

983
00:40:06,100 --> 00:40:04,370
guarantee it you know no that's never

984
00:40:08,560 --> 00:40:06,110
gonna happen you know I'm certainly

985
00:40:10,990 --> 00:40:08,570
always open to other possibilities I

986
00:40:12,610 --> 00:40:11,000
will present what I know to the best of

987
00:40:15,690 --> 00:40:12,620
my ability it will present facts and

988
00:40:20,230 --> 00:40:15,700
cite my sources and that's that yeah I

989
00:40:23,110 --> 00:40:20,240
remember when when my book got released

990
00:40:25,330 --> 00:40:23,120
and people started asking me like well

991
00:40:27,940 --> 00:40:25,340
you say you interviewed like hundreds of

992
00:40:29,680 --> 00:40:27,950
people there had to be some people who

993
00:40:32,170 --> 00:40:29,690
are just flat-out lying to you right

994
00:40:34,540 --> 00:40:32,180
like it was there anyone who you

995
00:40:34,990 --> 00:40:34,550
interviewed or talked to who you just

996
00:40:38,500 --> 00:40:35,000
flat-out

997
00:40:41,320 --> 00:40:38,510
thought this was [\h__\h] and when I

998
00:40:44,290 --> 00:40:41,330
first started talking about the book and

999
00:40:47,080 --> 00:40:44,300
the people I interviewed I wanted so you

1000
00:40:48,460 --> 00:40:47,090
know just easily to say yeah of course

1001
00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:48,470
there are people I thought were just

1002
00:40:53,170 --> 00:40:50,930
batshit crazy or weren't lying to my

1003
00:40:56,530 --> 00:40:53,180
face but then I really had to sit back

1004
00:40:57,970 --> 00:40:56,540
and say you know what I wasn't there and

1005
00:41:00,100 --> 00:40:57,980
I think that's really important to

1006
00:41:02,470 --> 00:41:00,110
whenever someone comes forward and says

1007
00:41:05,550 --> 00:41:02,480
they had a paranormal experience at UFO

1008
00:41:09,250 --> 00:41:05,560
sighting anything anything a psychic

1009
00:41:10,150 --> 00:41:09,260
premonition I wasn't there in the room

1010
00:41:13,170 --> 00:41:10,160
when it happened

1011
00:41:17,010 --> 00:41:13,180
sorry so I try to keep that in mind too

1012
00:41:19,980 --> 00:41:17,020
as as the years go on and I get more

1013
00:41:22,740 --> 00:41:19,990
involved in this field if we even want

1014
00:41:24,720 --> 00:41:22,750
to call it that I've become more

1015
00:41:26,940 --> 00:41:24,730
skeptical but I also become more

1016
00:41:29,819 --> 00:41:26,950
open-minded so it's just such a

1017
00:41:32,670 --> 00:41:29,829
juxtaposition absolutely to flow all the

1018
00:41:34,140 --> 00:41:32,680
time absolutely and I totally get that I

1019
00:41:36,269 --> 00:41:34,150
wasn't there yeah

1020
00:41:39,660 --> 00:41:36,279
now I totally get that and yeah you and

1021
00:41:42,150 --> 00:41:39,670
I are aligned definitely on that so for

1022
00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:42,160
those of you who don't know one of the

1023
00:41:47,339 --> 00:41:45,010
main reasons that I became a fanboy of

1024
00:41:49,260 --> 00:41:47,349
mr. Jason McClellan here was a web

1025
00:41:50,940 --> 00:41:49,270
series he had called spacing out and

1026
00:41:53,490 --> 00:41:50,950
this was sponsored through open minds

1027
00:41:55,650 --> 00:41:53,500
yeah so this is something that Maureen

1028
00:41:58,400 --> 00:41:55,660
Elsberry and I put together I forget

1029
00:42:01,289 --> 00:41:58,410
what year we started it but it started

1030
00:42:06,710 --> 00:42:01,299
because there was a need we were filling

1031
00:42:09,180 --> 00:42:06,720
a void so at open minds at the time our

1032
00:42:15,329 --> 00:42:09,190
colleague Alejandro Rojas had left the

1033
00:42:17,789 --> 00:42:15,339
company and so we no longer had his UFO

1034
00:42:20,160 --> 00:42:17,799
podcast that he was doing so we needed a

1035
00:42:21,900 --> 00:42:20,170
show to fill that so I was thinking

1036
00:42:26,220 --> 00:42:21,910
about you know just doing another

1037
00:42:28,140 --> 00:42:26,230
podcast but I had wanted to launch a web

1038
00:42:29,910 --> 00:42:28,150
series as well and oh well we could kill

1039
00:42:32,309 --> 00:42:29,920
two birds with one stone here and and do

1040
00:42:34,049 --> 00:42:32,319
a web series and have that audio be an

1041
00:42:36,180 --> 00:42:34,059
audio podcast but also have a web series

1042
00:42:39,799 --> 00:42:36,190
so so that's what we did we launched

1043
00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:39,809
spacing out it was essentially a hybrid

1044
00:42:48,420 --> 00:42:44,890
talk show news program where we would

1045
00:42:51,779 --> 00:42:48,430
present recent ufo-related headlines and

1046
00:42:54,180 --> 00:42:51,789
we would also have interviews and we

1047
00:42:56,059 --> 00:42:54,190
would morning and I would discuss the

1048
00:42:59,250 --> 00:42:56,069
the headlines too so we would present

1049
00:43:01,769 --> 00:42:59,260
the news in an objective journalistic

1050
00:43:03,569 --> 00:43:01,779
fashion and then we would after the fact

1051
00:43:05,640 --> 00:43:03,579
interject our personal opinions into

1052
00:43:07,200 --> 00:43:05,650
that so we tried to separate that but

1053
00:43:08,880 --> 00:43:07,210
also have the the talk show element of

1054
00:43:11,460 --> 00:43:08,890
it to you with that discussion and

1055
00:43:14,640 --> 00:43:11,470
discussion with guests so that was the

1056
00:43:16,950 --> 00:43:14,650
the gist of it and yeah we had a lot of

1057
00:43:20,940 --> 00:43:16,960
fun with that show and that ran for how

1058
00:43:22,829 --> 00:43:20,950
long we did that for a couple years at

1059
00:43:24,060 --> 00:43:22,839
least yeah we did more than a hundred

1060
00:43:27,510 --> 00:43:24,070
episodes of that

1061
00:43:29,610 --> 00:43:27,520
and yeah it was a great great run and

1062
00:43:32,280 --> 00:43:29,620
made a lot of contacts through that show

1063
00:43:35,400 --> 00:43:32,290
we were also featured on The Huffington

1064
00:43:37,110 --> 00:43:35,410
Post at the time as like one of the top

1065
00:43:38,640 --> 00:43:37,120
five YouTube channels you're not

1066
00:43:41,340 --> 00:43:38,650
watching but you should or something

1067
00:43:42,900 --> 00:43:41,350
like that so and we were invited on at

1068
00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:42,910
the time Huffington Post had their

1069
00:43:48,300 --> 00:43:44,890
HuffPost live there like 24-hour live

1070
00:43:49,590 --> 00:43:48,310
streaming program so got to go on that

1071
00:43:51,420 --> 00:43:49,600
and talk about spacing out it's pretty

1072
00:43:54,300 --> 00:43:51,430
cool I think it's awesome because you

1073
00:43:56,610 --> 00:43:54,310
don't see often

1074
00:43:58,920 --> 00:43:56,620
first of all younger people talking

1075
00:44:03,030 --> 00:43:58,930
about UFOs and second of all on such a

1076
00:44:05,700 --> 00:44:03,040
professional level yeah if I wasn't

1077
00:44:11,220 --> 00:44:05,710
entrenched in this topic and I happen to

1078
00:44:13,890 --> 00:44:11,230
come across a mini news show on YouTube

1079
00:44:16,140 --> 00:44:13,900
about UFOs like of course I'm gonna

1080
00:44:17,550 --> 00:44:16,150
subscribe you know it's just that's

1081
00:44:19,200 --> 00:44:17,560
freaking awesome

1082
00:44:22,530 --> 00:44:19,210
yeah and you don't hear about it that

1083
00:44:24,960 --> 00:44:22,540
often right this topic for the younger

1084
00:44:27,450 --> 00:44:24,970
generation so I thought it was pretty

1085
00:44:29,940 --> 00:44:27,460
cool that like you open this up to

1086
00:44:32,100 --> 00:44:29,950
people who necessarily may not have ever

1087
00:44:34,440 --> 00:44:32,110
been interested in UFOs yeah and just

1088
00:44:36,630 --> 00:44:34,450
for like ah it's awesome it's like 10

1089
00:44:39,270 --> 00:44:36,640
minutes long out of my day I'm gonna

1090
00:44:41,100 --> 00:44:39,280
watch this yeah and I know like you guys

1091
00:44:43,470 --> 00:44:41,110
had fans like come up to you all the

1092
00:44:44,850 --> 00:44:43,480
time be like ah spacing out spacing what

1093
00:44:47,700 --> 00:44:44,860
happened what did spacing out yeah

1094
00:44:49,440 --> 00:44:47,710
because the run eventually unfortunately

1095
00:44:54,270 --> 00:44:49,450
did come to an end at one point though

1096
00:44:56,670 --> 00:44:54,280
but you recently announced that spacing

1097
00:45:01,200 --> 00:44:56,680
out is actually gonna be coming back we

1098
00:45:05,610 --> 00:45:01,210
did yeah yeah so spacing outs coming

1099
00:45:07,650 --> 00:45:05,620
back probably in September okay that's

1100
00:45:11,400 --> 00:45:07,660
what I promised anyway so we'll see if I

1101
00:45:12,780 --> 00:45:11,410
can hold myself to that promise but yeah

1102
00:45:14,640 --> 00:45:12,790
so it's gonna be a little different

1103
00:45:16,560 --> 00:45:14,650
obviously because Maureen and I are in

1104
00:45:19,140 --> 00:45:16,570
different states now yeah so she's in

1105
00:45:21,230 --> 00:45:19,150
Washington and I'm in Arizona so I've

1106
00:45:24,450 --> 00:45:21,240
got some logistical things to figure out

1107
00:45:27,840 --> 00:45:24,460
and we said we're gonna make it a little

1108
00:45:30,450 --> 00:45:27,850
a little more broad as well not strictly

1109
00:45:32,700 --> 00:45:30,460
focused on UFOs and extraterrestrials I

1110
00:45:34,560 --> 00:45:32,710
mean that will obviously still be the

1111
00:45:36,210 --> 00:45:34,570
the primary focus of it but we'll

1112
00:45:37,920 --> 00:45:36,220
probably open it up to some other

1113
00:45:39,420 --> 00:45:37,930
paranormal topics as well be

1114
00:45:42,630 --> 00:45:39,430
as obviously we're both interested and

1115
00:45:44,849 --> 00:45:42,640
other things but our main focus is UFOs

1116
00:45:46,950 --> 00:45:44,859
and extraterrestrials so we're still

1117
00:45:49,770 --> 00:45:46,960
figuring out some of the details but the

1118
00:45:52,380 --> 00:45:49,780
plan is to in September spacing out

1119
00:45:53,819 --> 00:45:52,390
we'll come back that's the that's the

1120
00:45:56,910 --> 00:45:53,829
most important part it's coming back

1121
00:45:59,609 --> 00:45:56,920
well I will be subscribing again and

1122
00:46:03,329 --> 00:45:59,619
well and I have a feeling that you might

1123
00:46:05,609 --> 00:46:03,339
be involved and we're another I think so

1124
00:46:07,020 --> 00:46:05,619
I hope so we'll see how it goes I'll

1125
00:46:09,180 --> 00:46:07,030
have to talk to more people you'll

1126
00:46:11,760 --> 00:46:09,190
you'll be you'll be uh sort of in my

1127
00:46:13,349 --> 00:46:11,770
neighborhood now so we'll make doing

1128
00:46:15,150 --> 00:46:13,359
things easier that's true you guys are

1129
00:46:17,490 --> 00:46:15,160
gonna get used to Jason McClellan trust

1130
00:46:19,859 --> 00:46:17,500
me once I'm out in LA it's not that far

1131
00:46:23,339 --> 00:46:19,869
hop skip and a jump damn right it's it's

1132
00:46:25,500 --> 00:46:23,349
much more of a event when we're able to

1133
00:46:27,660 --> 00:46:25,510
make it to either New York or Arizona

1134
00:46:29,339 --> 00:46:27,670
now you know we're gonna be in each

1135
00:46:30,960 --> 00:46:29,349
other's backyard so that's gonna make

1136
00:46:34,549 --> 00:46:30,970
all the difference I have a question for

1137
00:46:35,700 --> 00:46:34,559
you and so broadening spacing out

1138
00:46:40,589 --> 00:46:35,710
toppings

1139
00:46:43,440 --> 00:46:40,599
what is like besides UFOs what is like

1140
00:46:46,430 --> 00:46:43,450
the next thing you'd really want to dive

1141
00:46:48,990 --> 00:46:46,440
into with weather with spacing out or

1142
00:46:51,569 --> 00:46:49,000
other projects what other things would

1143
00:46:59,400 --> 00:46:51,579
you want to investigate I want to

1144
00:47:01,980 --> 00:46:59,410
investigate fantastic alcohol okay I'm

1145
00:47:04,470 --> 00:47:01,990
not joking at all of course but I mean

1146
00:47:08,430 --> 00:47:04,480
it right now with UFO beer UFO beer

1147
00:47:16,440 --> 00:47:14,130
yeah man I mean I I certainly have in

1148
00:47:21,210 --> 00:47:16,450
recent years explored more paranormal

1149
00:47:23,339 --> 00:47:21,220
topics and I do want to because I have

1150
00:47:25,170 --> 00:47:23,349
the technology to do it and you can get

1151
00:47:28,140 --> 00:47:25,180
technology to do it and I've had

1152
00:47:31,049 --> 00:47:28,150
interesting results obviously the ghost

1153
00:47:32,549 --> 00:47:31,059
hunting is fun I I really enjoy that and

1154
00:47:35,039 --> 00:47:32,559
have had some some of the more

1155
00:47:37,309 --> 00:47:35,049
unexplainable things happen to me with

1156
00:47:40,349 --> 00:47:37,319
ghost hunting okay

1157
00:47:44,490 --> 00:47:40,359
so pardon me that's something that that

1158
00:47:46,559 --> 00:47:44,500
I want to do more just because there is

1159
00:47:47,880 --> 00:47:46,569
and that's you know people talk about

1160
00:47:48,900 --> 00:47:47,890
that and you know you and I are both

1161
00:47:51,300 --> 00:47:48,910
experienced this where we have

1162
00:47:53,610 --> 00:47:51,310
television producers like

1163
00:47:55,980 --> 00:47:53,620
coming to us and basically wanting us to

1164
00:47:57,900 --> 00:47:55,990
be able to do what ghost hunting shows

1165
00:47:59,670 --> 00:47:57,910
do but with UFOs and you know well

1166
00:48:02,850 --> 00:47:59,680
there's an obvious difference there it's

1167
00:48:04,170 --> 00:48:02,860
not yes on some level and I tell people

1168
00:48:06,630 --> 00:48:04,180
this all the time especially when people

1169
00:48:09,830 --> 00:48:06,640
say where should I go to see a UFO I

1170
00:48:12,450 --> 00:48:09,840
tell them walk outside and look up like

1171
00:48:14,190 --> 00:48:12,460
if you invest the time you have the

1172
00:48:16,050 --> 00:48:14,200
patience just stare at the sky and you

1173
00:48:17,940 --> 00:48:16,060
will most likely see something strange

1174
00:48:19,590 --> 00:48:17,950
because there's all sorts of weird [\h__\h]

1175
00:48:20,940 --> 00:48:19,600
just flying around up there like it is

1176
00:48:27,120 --> 00:48:20,950
there you just have to spend the time

1177
00:48:28,620 --> 00:48:27,130
and look but ghost hunting shows or you

1178
00:48:30,840 --> 00:48:28,630
know they're sexy because you've got all

1179
00:48:33,030 --> 00:48:30,850
sorts of gadgets you can run around and

1180
00:48:35,030 --> 00:48:33,040
like you know it's good for TV there's

1181
00:48:37,200 --> 00:48:35,040
stuff that happens and you can see it

1182
00:48:40,110 --> 00:48:37,210
exactly she's got it you've got a back

1183
00:48:41,850 --> 00:48:40,120
story you've got things and you know

1184
00:48:44,970 --> 00:48:41,860
whether or not the stuff they are

1185
00:48:46,560 --> 00:48:44,980
pushing you know is true you know these

1186
00:48:48,150 --> 00:48:46,570
things that are causing things to happen

1187
00:48:50,130 --> 00:48:48,160
have anything to do with that history

1188
00:48:51,660 --> 00:48:50,140
you don't know right but stuff is

1189
00:48:53,130 --> 00:48:51,670
happening there's interesting flashing

1190
00:48:54,660 --> 00:48:53,140
lights they you know there's there's

1191
00:48:58,650 --> 00:48:54,670
stuff going on and potentially stuff to

1192
00:49:02,010 --> 00:48:58,660
see where is UFOs for a TV show you know

1193
00:49:04,650 --> 00:49:02,020
yes again you can't see stuff but it

1194
00:49:07,190 --> 00:49:04,660
takes a lot longer a lot more time to

1195
00:49:08,970 --> 00:49:07,200
invest in a production and usually

1196
00:49:10,170 --> 00:49:08,980
production companies aren't gonna do

1197
00:49:11,790 --> 00:49:10,180
that they're not gonna spend an entire

1198
00:49:13,410 --> 00:49:11,800
day with you while you sit there and

1199
00:49:16,110 --> 00:49:13,420
stare at the sky hoping for something to

1200
00:49:18,510 --> 00:49:16,120
show up right well and you know like

1201
00:49:20,850 --> 00:49:18,520
this is scientists biggest argument with

1202
00:49:22,860 --> 00:49:20,860
UFOs is of course we want to look into

1203
00:49:26,430 --> 00:49:22,870
UFOs of course we're interesting we have

1204
00:49:29,010 --> 00:49:26,440
nothing to monitor no once a UFO event

1205
00:49:30,480 --> 00:49:29,020
happens it's gone yeah how do we repeat

1206
00:49:33,120 --> 00:49:30,490
that yeah like that's the scientific

1207
00:49:35,910 --> 00:49:33,130
method right there YUM so I mean ability

1208
00:49:37,590 --> 00:49:35,920
I love the guys with the the UFO tog

1209
00:49:41,610 --> 00:49:37,600
project you know they're they're trying

1210
00:49:43,620 --> 00:49:41,620
to make that happen so was the the group

1211
00:49:44,130 --> 00:49:43,630
that Leslie Kane's involved with UFO

1212
00:49:49,170 --> 00:49:44,140
data

1213
00:49:52,740 --> 00:49:49,180
that's lacking and they're trying to fix

1214
00:49:55,680 --> 00:49:52,750
that by having stations set up with

1215
00:49:58,550 --> 00:49:55,690
various meters to detect various things

1216
00:50:01,110 --> 00:49:58,560
you know various atmospheric conditions

1217
00:50:04,380 --> 00:50:01,120
you know just anything you would want

1218
00:50:07,049 --> 00:50:04,390
from a scientific standpoint but

1219
00:50:08,849 --> 00:50:07,059
yeah UFOs are hard man because even if

1220
00:50:10,710 --> 00:50:08,859
you have the best camera technology

1221
00:50:13,349 --> 00:50:10,720
you've got all that [\h__\h] setup and you

1222
00:50:15,359 --> 00:50:13,359
happen to just be in the right place at

1223
00:50:17,999 --> 00:50:15,369
the right time and actually you know

1224
00:50:19,559 --> 00:50:18,009
image one of these things still you're

1225
00:50:23,160 --> 00:50:19,569
not gonna get in much information from

1226
00:50:24,870 --> 00:50:23,170
that yeah so take a point so and and

1227
00:50:27,420 --> 00:50:24,880
with ghosts you know I mean you would

1228
00:50:27,690 --> 00:50:27,430
pretty much have the same stuff to work

1229
00:50:31,499 --> 00:50:27,700
with

1230
00:50:36,120 --> 00:50:31,509
explain it you just go wow those weird

1231
00:50:39,120 --> 00:50:36,130
[\h__\h] know and that passes yeah but it's

1232
00:50:41,130 --> 00:50:39,130
interesting yeah I I II I think I would

1233
00:50:42,630 --> 00:50:41,140
have the same answer to like I would

1234
00:50:44,579 --> 00:50:42,640
definitely want to experience something

1235
00:50:47,039 --> 00:50:44,589
paranormal mmm

1236
00:50:50,729 --> 00:50:47,049
but there's so much baggage with that

1237
00:50:53,729 --> 00:50:50,739
you know I grew up staunch Catholic you

1238
00:50:55,859 --> 00:50:53,739
know my spirituality meant a lot to me

1239
00:50:59,910 --> 00:50:55,869
at a younger age and it's since I will

1240
00:51:04,019 --> 00:50:59,920
admit that it is it's waned in terms of

1241
00:51:06,660 --> 00:51:04,029
like a dog dogmatic religion but at the

1242
00:51:09,120 --> 00:51:06,670
same time like when I think about UFOs

1243
00:51:12,390 --> 00:51:09,130
I'm not thinking you know oh my god it's

1244
00:51:15,180 --> 00:51:12,400
Jesus in a UFO but when really the

1245
00:51:18,509 --> 00:51:15,190
ghosts that's my God we're so we're

1246
00:51:20,430 --> 00:51:18,519
drinking warm beer because we don't have

1247
00:51:21,989 --> 00:51:20,440
a refrigerator no refrigerator and no

1248
00:51:24,150 --> 00:51:21,999
ice machines come on

1249
00:51:26,339 --> 00:51:24,160
row hotel in midtown Manhattan New York

1250
00:51:29,910 --> 00:51:26,349
City get your ass what do you expect

1251
00:51:32,700 --> 00:51:29,920
it's a hotel in New York I'm lucky we

1252
00:51:35,970 --> 00:51:32,710
have a room at all it's about the size

1253
00:51:37,829 --> 00:51:35,980
of my apartment yeah so yeah we're we're

1254
00:51:40,170 --> 00:51:37,839
doing ghetto style here we've got beer

1255
00:51:42,120 --> 00:51:40,180
with ice I love it such a sin but I love

1256
00:51:45,900 --> 00:51:42,130
it oh okay yeah that's UFO beer

1257
00:51:48,870 --> 00:51:45,910
sponsored by UFO beer yeah speaking of

1258
00:51:50,910 --> 00:51:48,880
sin yeah so Jesus on a UFO I don't

1259
00:51:53,609 --> 00:51:50,920
necessarily ever connect my spirituality

1260
00:51:55,979 --> 00:51:53,619
with UFOs but I always run into that

1261
00:51:58,829 --> 00:51:55,989
problem you know we're ghost shows sure

1262
00:52:02,539 --> 00:51:58,839
like um and like is this an actual

1263
00:52:06,960 --> 00:52:02,549
spirit this like something that once was

1264
00:52:08,999 --> 00:52:06,970
is this higher power if it's a God is he

1265
00:52:10,890 --> 00:52:09,009
allow them to communicate with us

1266
00:52:13,269 --> 00:52:10,900
wherever they might be in the afterlife

1267
00:52:16,239 --> 00:52:13,279
so there's a lot of baggage that

1268
00:52:19,930 --> 00:52:16,249
I think with ghost hunting that you

1269
00:52:22,329 --> 00:52:19,940
bring into it sure but at the same time

1270
00:52:25,329 --> 00:52:22,339
like that could be pretty rewarding too

1271
00:52:28,420 --> 00:52:25,339
I think that could change your your

1272
00:52:31,150 --> 00:52:28,430
faith if it were challenged injury of a

1273
00:52:35,019 --> 00:52:31,160
ghost sighting or encounter or

1274
00:52:37,239 --> 00:52:35,029
experience sure yeah and I don't know I

1275
00:52:40,989 --> 00:52:37,249
mean I think more in recent years I've

1276
00:52:43,719 --> 00:52:40,999
grown more interested in ghost hunting

1277
00:52:48,009 --> 00:52:43,729
and the ghost aspect because I've

1278
00:52:50,109 --> 00:52:48,019
started thinking about the nature of

1279
00:52:51,519 --> 00:52:50,119
ghosts you know and the possibility that

1280
00:52:53,680 --> 00:52:51,529
they could be extraterrestrials or

1281
00:52:55,630 --> 00:52:53,690
something else like just quantum physics

1282
00:52:57,699 --> 00:52:55,640
just the fact that you know it's such an

1283
00:53:00,999 --> 00:52:57,709
unknown but it's something that I've

1284
00:53:03,549 --> 00:53:01,009
definitely experienced and you know can

1285
00:53:05,319 --> 00:53:03,559
pretty easily experience when I mean

1286
00:53:07,749 --> 00:53:05,329
I've had pretty good success with it you

1287
00:53:10,839 --> 00:53:07,759
know on ghost hunts so it's it's

1288
00:53:12,999 --> 00:53:10,849
rewarding in that sense and I mean I

1289
00:53:15,509 --> 00:53:13,009
like to I would like to think that maybe

1290
00:53:18,370 --> 00:53:15,519
I would come up with some more answers

1291
00:53:21,519 --> 00:53:18,380
you know for my own questions in my own

1292
00:53:23,739 --> 00:53:21,529
edification just by doing more but I

1293
00:53:26,079 --> 00:53:23,749
would also do I would like to do some

1294
00:53:29,410 --> 00:53:26,089
some like camping and Bigfoot stuff

1295
00:53:31,180 --> 00:53:29,420
because again same question like some

1296
00:53:32,829 --> 00:53:31,190
people think Bigfoot's are ghosts but

1297
00:53:34,809 --> 00:53:32,839
you know this thing Bigfoot's an

1298
00:53:40,029 --> 00:53:34,819
extraterrestrial so we're looking at you

1299
00:53:42,789 --> 00:53:40,039
greg Newkirk Oh Greg about Rio yeah but

1300
00:53:45,609 --> 00:53:42,799
you know Kewanee laughs Rytas you know

1301
00:53:47,079 --> 00:53:45,619
is a big you a Bigfoot researcher and in

1302
00:53:49,269 --> 00:53:47,089
fact when he presented at the UFO

1303
00:53:50,469 --> 00:53:49,279
congress he told us that there were two

1304
00:53:52,209 --> 00:53:50,479
Bigfoot in the audience and they

1305
00:53:54,189 --> 00:53:52,219
approved of what he was saying also a

1306
00:53:55,779 --> 00:53:54,199
Bigfoot like has a cloaking device or

1307
00:53:57,969 --> 00:53:55,789
something and can be invisible that's

1308
00:53:59,439 --> 00:53:57,979
fantastic so like he has that ability so

1309
00:54:00,489 --> 00:53:59,449
who's to say like when you're ghost

1310
00:54:03,279 --> 00:54:00,499
hunting and you experience something

1311
00:54:04,390 --> 00:54:03,289
that's not Bigfoot yeah like it's these

1312
00:54:07,269 --> 00:54:04,400
things were all intertwined it's

1313
00:54:09,069 --> 00:54:07,279
fantastic but you know that there is the

1314
00:54:10,209 --> 00:54:09,079
mindset out there with many people that

1315
00:54:13,180 --> 00:54:10,219
Bigfoot could be an extraterrestrial

1316
00:54:14,439 --> 00:54:13,190
there is a correlation with a lot of UFO

1317
00:54:17,739 --> 00:54:14,449
sightings and things with Bigfoot

1318
00:54:19,569 --> 00:54:17,749
sightings and you know based on people

1319
00:54:22,229 --> 00:54:19,579
who claim to communicate with Bigfoot

1320
00:54:24,579 --> 00:54:22,239
you know Bigfoot's even acknowledge that

1321
00:54:26,470 --> 00:54:24,589
it is an extraterrestrial they are an

1322
00:54:28,480 --> 00:54:26,480
extraterrestrial species so

1323
00:54:30,069 --> 00:54:28,490
yeah and again like why have we never

1324
00:54:33,430 --> 00:54:30,079
found a body you have a Bigfoot sure

1325
00:54:37,920 --> 00:54:33,440
this is a living breathing ape-like

1326
00:54:41,109 --> 00:54:37,930
creature why has one never been found

1327
00:54:44,800 --> 00:54:41,119
are they immortal do they just wander

1328
00:54:46,990 --> 00:54:44,810
the woods forever you know was a

1329
00:54:48,609 --> 00:54:47,000
cloaking device stay intact for everyone

1330
00:54:50,500 --> 00:54:48,619
they die so and you're just like walking

1331
00:54:53,770 --> 00:54:50,510
and you trip over something you don't

1332
00:54:55,780 --> 00:54:53,780
see you know what the hell yeah that's a

1333
00:54:57,599 --> 00:54:55,790
good point that the idea that the all

1334
00:54:59,800 --> 00:54:57,609
these things are intertwined I think

1335
00:55:01,990 --> 00:54:59,810
that's the thing I mean I don't

1336
00:55:04,599 --> 00:55:02,000
understand people who put boxes you know

1337
00:55:06,460 --> 00:55:04,609
around things and stay within that box

1338
00:55:08,200 --> 00:55:06,470
and don't want to touch things you find

1339
00:55:09,550 --> 00:55:08,210
that so much in the UFO community they

1340
00:55:11,349 --> 00:55:09,560
have no interest in ghosts or no

1341
00:55:16,030 --> 00:55:11,359
interest in Bigfoot there's just all

1342
00:55:17,950 --> 00:55:16,040
UFOs and really like that's so foreign

1343
00:55:21,430 --> 00:55:17,960
to me I don't understand that concept

1344
00:55:24,000 --> 00:55:21,440
because for me it's all about the

1345
00:55:27,069 --> 00:55:24,010
mystery of the unknown like it's unknown

1346
00:55:28,420 --> 00:55:27,079
mysteries and you know this is all

1347
00:55:29,200 --> 00:55:28,430
fascinating stuff to me I'm just looking

1348
00:55:31,870 --> 00:55:29,210
for answers

1349
00:55:34,270 --> 00:55:31,880
and these things are all mysterious

1350
00:55:36,940 --> 00:55:34,280
things that you know in one way or

1351
00:55:38,680 --> 00:55:36,950
another I've determined through my own

1352
00:55:40,540 --> 00:55:38,690
work that there's something there to

1353
00:55:41,980 --> 00:55:40,550
look into like there's something there

1354
00:55:43,960 --> 00:55:41,990
that people experience that I've

1355
00:55:46,809 --> 00:55:43,970
experienced and I don't have an answer

1356
00:55:49,270 --> 00:55:46,819
for you know so how do I know they're

1357
00:55:51,010 --> 00:55:49,280
not related how do I know what they are

1358
00:55:52,450 --> 00:55:51,020
even and I don't know what they are and

1359
00:55:56,620 --> 00:55:52,460
that's that's you know what's exciting

1360
00:55:59,770 --> 00:55:56,630
to me when I spoke at the paranormal

1361
00:56:02,230 --> 00:55:59,780
conference this past weekend that was

1362
00:56:03,970 --> 00:56:02,240
the most exciting thing for me I was

1363
00:56:06,460 --> 00:56:03,980
outside of my wheelhouse

1364
00:56:09,220 --> 00:56:06,470
like I wasn't at a UFO conference I

1365
00:56:11,530 --> 00:56:09,230
wasn't having people saying you're know

1366
00:56:14,920 --> 00:56:11,540
you got that date wrong or no that's not

1367
00:56:16,740 --> 00:56:14,930
right this that this that no because hey

1368
00:56:19,450 --> 00:56:16,750
I was talking about a topic that had

1369
00:56:21,010 --> 00:56:19,460
seemingly nothing to do with UFOs the

1370
00:56:25,180 --> 00:56:21,020
more I looked into it no I'm starting to

1371
00:56:27,339 --> 00:56:25,190
think it did but there were people there

1372
00:56:29,589 --> 00:56:27,349
from all walks of life with all

1373
00:56:33,370 --> 00:56:29,599
different interests know just coming to

1374
00:56:35,530 --> 00:56:33,380
talk not learn not preach but to talk

1375
00:56:37,280 --> 00:56:35,540
and converse yeah which is really cool

1376
00:56:40,700 --> 00:56:37,290
we got to talk about

1377
00:56:43,430 --> 00:56:40,710
we had a talk about mysticism we had one

1378
00:56:46,400 --> 00:56:43,440
on Oak Island like the history and you

1379
00:56:49,370 --> 00:56:46,410
know curses of this remote island in

1380
00:56:51,350 --> 00:56:49,380
Nova Scotia really cool I talked about

1381
00:56:54,770 --> 00:56:51,360
Bermuda Triangle Greg Bishop talked

1382
00:56:57,920 --> 00:56:54,780
about Roswell so like you had every

1383
00:56:59,510 --> 00:56:57,930
realm of all these zones in one room

1384
00:57:01,730 --> 00:56:59,520
together yeah so we weren't there

1385
00:57:04,430 --> 00:57:01,740
preaching to one another about a UFO

1386
00:57:06,200 --> 00:57:04,440
case or this witness yeah no we were all

1387
00:57:09,440 --> 00:57:06,210
there telling stories about people who

1388
00:57:10,730 --> 00:57:09,450
just had plain weird [\h__\h] happened yeah

1389
00:57:12,890 --> 00:57:10,740
all over the world that could not be

1390
00:57:15,470 --> 00:57:12,900
explained and that was really cool

1391
00:57:16,880 --> 00:57:15,480
that's really cool I I love that and

1392
00:57:18,350 --> 00:57:16,890
that's so refreshing I mean not to take

1393
00:57:19,760 --> 00:57:18,360
anything away from UFO conferences

1394
00:57:21,350 --> 00:57:19,770
because I think they definitely have

1395
00:57:23,000 --> 00:57:21,360
their place there's a value for them

1396
00:57:25,850 --> 00:57:23,010
they they serve a purpose

1397
00:57:27,560 --> 00:57:25,860
but you know at the same time when

1398
00:57:29,450 --> 00:57:27,570
you're you're presenting there when

1399
00:57:32,150 --> 00:57:29,460
you're giving a lecture there it's a

1400
00:57:34,460 --> 00:57:32,160
total different vibe because like you

1401
00:57:36,800 --> 00:57:34,470
said you know you're essentially

1402
00:57:40,130 --> 00:57:36,810
preaching to the choir and if you're not

1403
00:57:43,760 --> 00:57:40,140
to let you know but you know it's that

1404
00:57:44,990 --> 00:57:43,770
audience like they are aware of what

1405
00:57:48,620 --> 00:57:45,000
you're talking about

1406
00:57:50,600 --> 00:57:48,630
and you know either casually or they

1407
00:57:52,100 --> 00:57:50,610
consider themselves an expert on it and

1408
00:57:54,650 --> 00:57:52,110
they're happy to let you know about that

1409
00:57:57,200 --> 00:57:54,660
and all the places that you're wrong but

1410
00:57:58,820 --> 00:57:57,210
you know other conferences paranormal

1411
00:58:00,860 --> 00:57:58,830
conferences or just pop culture

1412
00:58:05,360 --> 00:58:00,870
conferences I know Maureen and I were

1413
00:58:07,340 --> 00:58:05,370
just at Denver Comic Con oh yes x-files

1414
00:58:10,730 --> 00:58:07,350
panel they're about real-life x-files

1415
00:58:12,350 --> 00:58:10,740
and that's awesome it was so packed they

1416
00:58:14,180 --> 00:58:12,360
turned people away because there was no

1417
00:58:15,620 --> 00:58:14,190
room left yeah like we thought you know

1418
00:58:17,900 --> 00:58:15,630
maybe a handful of people would come and

1419
00:58:19,460 --> 00:58:17,910
they would be you know there by accident

1420
00:58:21,680 --> 00:58:19,470
because they thought like we're sitting

1421
00:58:23,570 --> 00:58:21,690
davidic company would be there well but

1422
00:58:25,220 --> 00:58:23,580
like we walked up there and we're all

1423
00:58:27,140 --> 00:58:25,230
holy [\h__\h] there's a like a waiting room

1424
00:58:29,840 --> 00:58:27,150
and people have this line coming out the

1425
00:58:31,280 --> 00:58:29,850
door like this is kind of freaky but it

1426
00:58:34,220 --> 00:58:31,290
was awesome and those people were

1427
00:58:35,630 --> 00:58:34,230
awesome they were so engaged and this is

1428
00:58:37,910 --> 00:58:35,640
just the general public you know it's

1429
00:58:39,800 --> 00:58:37,920
not your typical UFO crowd or the UFO

1430
00:58:41,870 --> 00:58:39,810
community this is just pop culture

1431
00:58:44,780 --> 00:58:41,880
people like who loved x-files but are

1432
00:58:46,940 --> 00:58:44,790
also into paranormal stuff and wanted to

1433
00:58:48,710 --> 00:58:46,950
hear about like real stories and as we

1434
00:58:50,960 --> 00:58:48,720
talked about you know military

1435
00:58:54,920 --> 00:58:50,970
involvement and UFO investigations

1436
00:59:00,040 --> 00:58:54,930
and some skinwalker ranch and talked

1437
00:59:03,770 --> 00:59:00,050
some you know CIA you know mind

1438
00:59:06,560 --> 00:59:03,780
explorations studies and you know mind

1439
00:59:07,340 --> 00:59:06,570
warfare but these people were just

1440
00:59:09,650 --> 00:59:07,350
eating it up

1441
00:59:12,770 --> 00:59:09,660
and at the end like we left time for Q&A

1442
00:59:14,240 --> 00:59:12,780
and usually at UFO conferences you don't

1443
00:59:17,420 --> 00:59:14,250
want to do that because that's opening

1444
00:59:17,870 --> 00:59:17,430
yourself up to a cannibal but this was

1445
00:59:22,820 --> 00:59:17,880
great

1446
00:59:24,680 --> 00:59:22,830
we talked about like the we mentioned

1447
00:59:27,560 --> 00:59:24,690
the Montauk Monster from a few years ago

1448
00:59:29,150 --> 00:59:27,570
and there was this little little kid I

1449
00:59:30,920 --> 00:59:29,160
don't know how old he was but at the end

1450
00:59:33,650 --> 00:59:30,930
it might have been a girl can't remember

1451
00:59:37,370 --> 00:59:33,660
no but they asked at the end like what

1452
00:59:38,030 --> 00:59:37,380
was the name of that monster this is

1453
00:59:39,980 --> 00:59:38,040
adorable

1454
00:59:41,510 --> 00:59:39,990
wait these people were great they ask

1455
00:59:43,550 --> 00:59:41,520
great questions they were engaged and

1456
00:59:45,440 --> 00:59:43,560
after afterwards a lot of people came up

1457
00:59:48,650 --> 00:59:45,450
and talked to us gonna ask us questions

1458
00:59:50,600 --> 00:59:48,660
like just to us and it was fantastic it

1459
00:59:52,370 --> 00:59:50,610
was a really really great reception and

1460
00:59:53,810 --> 00:59:52,380
I love talking to crowds like that

1461
00:59:55,220 --> 00:59:53,820
and I think a lot of people do you know

1462
00:59:57,680 --> 00:59:55,230
that's why I don't think a lot of people

1463
00:59:59,990 --> 00:59:57,690
know but Travis Walton you know does a

1464
01:00:01,520 --> 01:00:00,000
lot of Comic Cons and things he goes to

1465
01:00:03,230 --> 01:00:01,530
like Dragon Con and some other things

1466
01:00:04,550 --> 01:00:03,240
like that and there's some other

1467
01:00:07,340 --> 01:00:04,560
researchers to do that too I know Chuck

1468
01:00:08,660 --> 01:00:07,350
Zukowski goes to some of them he was at

1469
01:00:11,330 --> 01:00:08,670
San Diego comic-con a couple years ago

1470
01:00:14,510 --> 01:00:11,340
but yeah I mean they're they're totally

1471
01:00:16,970 --> 01:00:14,520
different vibes but you know I love them

1472
01:00:20,240 --> 01:00:16,980
because as you know and you know you're

1473
01:00:23,800 --> 01:00:20,250
in the same boat but man when I do this

1474
01:00:27,620 --> 01:00:23,810
when I talk to people when I try to

1475
01:00:29,210 --> 01:00:27,630
inform people about these topics like I

1476
01:00:32,450 --> 01:00:29,220
have no interest in preaching to the

1477
01:00:34,370 --> 01:00:32,460
choir and that that's not my target

1478
01:00:35,870 --> 01:00:34,380
audience I love people in the UFO

1479
01:00:39,170 --> 01:00:35,880
community I do don't get me wrong

1480
01:00:42,770 --> 01:00:39,180
those are my peeps but you know my goal

1481
01:00:45,700 --> 01:00:42,780
is to reach pop culture the general

1482
01:00:48,170 --> 01:00:45,710
public the people who generally

1483
01:00:50,930 --> 01:00:48,180
genuinely have an interest in this stuff

1484
01:00:52,250 --> 01:00:50,940
because pretty much everybody does you

1485
01:00:54,890 --> 01:00:52,260
just need to present the information to

1486
01:00:57,770 --> 01:00:54,900
them and you know they don't really get

1487
01:01:00,880 --> 01:00:57,780
it other than garbage things like

1488
01:01:02,739 --> 01:01:00,890
ancient aliens sorry dudes

1489
01:01:05,589 --> 01:01:02,749
yeah like ancient aliens that's like

1490
01:01:07,779 --> 01:01:05,599
their view into UFOs everyone every know

1491
01:01:10,239 --> 01:01:07,789
who I tell what I do then Oh like

1492
01:01:12,220 --> 01:01:10,249
ancient aliens yeah no yeah not like

1493
01:01:13,630 --> 01:01:12,230
ancient so I mean they want to hear the

1494
01:01:15,700 --> 01:01:13,640
stuff they don't want to see you know

1495
01:01:18,120 --> 01:01:15,710
the the [\h__\h] that you know all those

1496
01:01:21,400 --> 01:01:18,130
like fake YouTube sites are putting out

1497
01:01:24,190 --> 01:01:21,410
you know hearing people talk about legit

1498
01:01:25,749 --> 01:01:24,200
stuff you know they're hungry for it and

1499
01:01:27,940 --> 01:01:25,759
they they want to hear people they want

1500
01:01:29,829 --> 01:01:27,950
to be in that atmosphere where they can

1501
01:01:31,660 --> 01:01:29,839
you know have a serious conversation

1502
01:01:35,140 --> 01:01:31,670
about UFOs not be ridiculed about it

1503
01:01:37,599 --> 01:01:35,150
yeah I had a very powerful moment when I

1504
01:01:41,589 --> 01:01:37,609
was giving a talk in Rochester New York

1505
01:01:44,019 --> 01:01:41,599
to a small UFO meetup group hosted by

1506
01:01:45,729 --> 01:01:44,029
cookie Stringfellow the wonderful cookie

1507
01:01:47,859 --> 01:01:45,739
stream loved cookie who I know is

1508
01:01:49,690 --> 01:01:47,869
probably listening to this cookie thank

1509
01:01:52,539 --> 01:01:49,700
you so much for all the work you do hi

1510
01:01:56,769 --> 01:01:52,549
cookie sweetheart she is a sweet she's

1511
01:02:01,599 --> 01:01:56,779
great so my parents came to this talk

1512
01:02:03,729 --> 01:02:01,609
and I was very hesitant to the they were

1513
01:02:07,089 --> 01:02:03,739
never a part of that aspect of my life

1514
01:02:10,329 --> 01:02:07,099
okay UFO research um or me talking about

1515
01:02:11,680 --> 01:02:10,339
in front of people so I was really

1516
01:02:13,390 --> 01:02:11,690
interested to see what they thought and

1517
01:02:16,359 --> 01:02:13,400
of course they're my parents they're

1518
01:02:19,210 --> 01:02:16,369
supportive like you know when I got up

1519
01:02:21,400 --> 01:02:19,220
there to talk I saw my mom that's my kid

1520
01:02:24,700 --> 01:02:21,410
that's my kid which is great in

1521
01:02:26,440 --> 01:02:24,710
everything but the information I brought

1522
01:02:30,099 --> 01:02:26,450
forward in the conversation that took

1523
01:02:31,930 --> 01:02:30,109
place after the talk I pulled my mom

1524
01:02:34,150 --> 01:02:31,940
aside we went out to dinner afterwards

1525
01:02:37,890 --> 01:02:34,160
and I said so what did you think and

1526
01:02:43,960 --> 01:02:37,900
she's like is this stuff for real well

1527
01:02:45,489 --> 01:02:43,970
in it was it was so like unlike her just

1528
01:02:47,079 --> 01:02:45,499
come out and say something that usually

1529
01:02:49,749 --> 01:02:47,089
she just been oh you did great

1530
01:02:52,450 --> 01:02:49,759
yeah oh it was wonderful like you spoke

1531
01:02:54,670 --> 01:02:52,460
smoker but she actually listened she

1532
01:02:57,579 --> 01:02:54,680
actually like took in the information

1533
01:03:00,130 --> 01:02:57,589
and she was genuinely concerned Wow

1534
01:03:02,109 --> 01:03:00,140
information I brought forward and that

1535
01:03:03,910 --> 01:03:02,119
that was a pinnacle moment for me yeah

1536
01:03:06,009 --> 01:03:03,920
someone who never really thought about

1537
01:03:08,370 --> 01:03:06,019
the topic happened to be a family member

1538
01:03:11,099 --> 01:03:08,380
and confided in me and

1539
01:03:12,870 --> 01:03:11,109
said is this real yeah do I really need

1540
01:03:15,210 --> 01:03:12,880
to be concerned about this or think

1541
01:03:17,339 --> 01:03:15,220
about this yeah I said if you want or

1542
01:03:19,079 --> 01:03:17,349
I'm like I'm just telling you what I've

1543
01:03:21,480 --> 01:03:19,089
heard right what I've experienced and

1544
01:03:24,539 --> 01:03:21,490
what I've researched and I think you're

1545
01:03:26,460 --> 01:03:24,549
right it's not like you know we're not

1546
01:03:26,880 --> 01:03:26,470
trying to convince people that UFOs are

1547
01:03:28,499 --> 01:03:26,890
real

1548
01:03:31,140 --> 01:03:28,509
we're just saying this is the stuff

1549
01:03:33,390 --> 01:03:31,150
that's going on if you want to look into

1550
01:03:36,299 --> 01:03:33,400
it cool if you don't it's our life yeah

1551
01:03:40,620 --> 01:03:36,309
you know it's your cool iana as they say

1552
01:03:44,279 --> 01:03:40,630
in Hawaii that's always always my goal

1553
01:03:46,559 --> 01:03:44,289
is to just you know present what we know

1554
01:03:48,539 --> 01:03:46,569
put it out there and encourage people to

1555
01:03:49,680 --> 01:03:48,549
do their own research you know because

1556
01:03:53,370 --> 01:03:49,690
ultimately people have to make their own

1557
01:03:55,140 --> 01:03:53,380
decisions like and you know they can

1558
01:03:57,529 --> 01:03:55,150
pick and choose the the researchers they

1559
01:03:59,430 --> 01:03:57,539
want to follow or you know believe

1560
01:04:02,370 --> 01:03:59,440
information that's being put out there

1561
01:04:05,880 --> 01:04:02,380
but that's not my job I just want to

1562
01:04:07,380 --> 01:04:05,890
kind of ignite that spark you know and

1563
01:04:08,749 --> 01:04:07,390
send people on their way yeah I think

1564
01:04:11,220 --> 01:04:08,759
that's the biggest thing we can do and

1565
01:04:13,470 --> 01:04:11,230
that's how you get people interested and

1566
01:04:15,630 --> 01:04:13,480
then hopefully we get more researchers

1567
01:04:18,660 --> 01:04:15,640
doing active research which is fantastic

1568
01:04:23,249 --> 01:04:18,670
out there yeah it's so funny because I

1569
01:04:26,160 --> 01:04:23,259
remember with the UFO Congress like for

1570
01:04:29,509 --> 01:04:26,170
most of the years I was there my

1571
01:04:33,749 --> 01:04:29,519
grandparents like out of the blue like

1572
01:04:35,849 --> 01:04:33,759
wanted tickets and I really want to come

1573
01:04:38,789 --> 01:04:35,859
to a UFO conference yeah gonna be pretty

1574
01:04:40,769 --> 01:04:38,799
boring probably but no they were like

1575
01:04:43,200 --> 01:04:40,779
all into it and they came like every

1576
01:04:44,700 --> 01:04:43,210
year no so that's that's interesting

1577
01:04:46,200 --> 01:04:44,710
yeah I never would have thought my

1578
01:04:48,749 --> 01:04:46,210
grandparents would want to come to UFO

1579
01:04:50,370 --> 01:04:48,759
conference but they did I my grandpa was

1580
01:04:53,279 --> 01:04:50,380
super NT I think my grandma spent all

1581
01:04:54,779 --> 01:04:53,289
her time in the casino but actually yeah

1582
01:04:56,670 --> 01:04:54,789
I know he was there and then my parents

1583
01:05:00,839 --> 01:04:56,680
came out to you and that was really

1584
01:05:04,079 --> 01:05:00,849
funny because I think the first lecture

1585
01:05:06,480 --> 01:05:04,089
they went to was Barbara lamb and they

1586
01:05:09,990 --> 01:05:06,490
came out of it and they're all that was

1587
01:05:13,499 --> 01:05:10,000
interesting hearing about alien penises

1588
01:05:14,599 --> 01:05:13,509
and how were alien hybrids yeah sorry

1589
01:05:17,430 --> 01:05:14,609
about that

1590
01:05:22,140 --> 01:05:17,440
yeah that's always tough that's tough

1591
01:05:24,990 --> 01:05:22,150
you you get a pretty broad spectrum

1592
01:05:27,390 --> 01:05:25,000
at such a large UFO conference that's

1593
01:05:29,940 --> 01:05:27,400
five days long you know oh yeah for sure

1594
01:05:32,040 --> 01:05:29,950
here everything from like ex-military to

1595
01:05:34,470 --> 01:05:32,050
scientists and again I mean emotionally

1596
01:05:36,630 --> 01:05:34,480
UFO conferences aren't geared for the

1597
01:05:38,700 --> 01:05:36,640
general public you know as much as you

1598
01:05:41,160 --> 01:05:38,710
know as organizers we try to make things

1599
01:05:42,570 --> 01:05:41,170
accessible to everybody and try to get

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01:05:45,330 --> 01:05:42,580
things that the general general public

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01:05:48,060 --> 01:05:45,340
will be you know able to take in

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01:05:49,560 --> 01:05:48,070
ya know UFO conferences you're gonna

1603
01:05:51,090 --> 01:05:49,570
have some pretty pretty deep stuff

1604
01:05:52,710 --> 01:05:51,100
pretty far down the rabbit hole type

1605
01:05:56,130 --> 01:05:52,720
stuff that like if you're just coming

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01:05:57,810 --> 01:05:56,140
into UFO as you go what the hell it

1607
01:06:01,380 --> 01:05:57,820
would be tough for someone who's just

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01:06:03,420 --> 01:06:01,390
getting into the top yeah yeah I that's

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01:06:06,300 --> 01:06:03,430
another big concern is out like you

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01:06:09,750 --> 01:06:06,310
mentioned secure team ten seven yeah

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01:06:12,000 --> 01:06:09,760
whatever they are or something like

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01:06:14,460 --> 01:06:12,010
ancient aliens which was I have to admit

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01:06:17,010 --> 01:06:14,470
they're pretty awesome the first season

1614
01:06:19,350 --> 01:06:17,020
sure but how do you stretch a show in

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01:06:22,020 --> 01:06:19,360
tune in twelve years so you start making

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01:06:23,580 --> 01:06:22,030
[\h__\h] up you have to at that point

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01:06:26,220 --> 01:06:23,590
dealing with a lot of stuff that's not

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01:06:27,990 --> 01:06:26,230
ancient history it's so weird the stuff

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01:06:31,860 --> 01:06:28,000
they cover now yeah anyways we could

1620
01:06:34,050 --> 01:06:31,870
mention mr. su clothes all we wanted but

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01:06:37,200 --> 01:06:34,060
yeah like you said for someone just

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01:06:39,510 --> 01:06:37,210
getting into this topic it's tough you

1623
01:06:41,340 --> 01:06:39,520
know there's so much garbage out there

1624
01:06:43,680 --> 01:06:41,350
on the internet when it comes to UFOs

1625
01:06:45,150 --> 01:06:43,690
that like where do you turn where do you

1626
01:06:46,950 --> 01:06:45,160
even start mmm

1627
01:06:50,430 --> 01:06:46,960
you know we were lucky to like have

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01:06:53,850 --> 01:06:50,440
people to influence our research who we

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01:06:56,430 --> 01:06:53,860
trusted yeah who haven't gone that far

1630
01:06:58,800 --> 01:06:56,440
down the rabbit hole where you know like

1631
01:07:02,100 --> 01:06:58,810
they're just crazy at this point or

1632
01:07:03,930 --> 01:07:02,110
delusional very fortunate for I think

1633
01:07:08,550 --> 01:07:03,940
eventually you know after you have the

1634
01:07:10,680 --> 01:07:08,560
start I think you know we both reach the

1635
01:07:13,140 --> 01:07:10,690
point which I think is an important

1636
01:07:15,900 --> 01:07:13,150
point to reach in your research and

1637
01:07:18,390 --> 01:07:15,910
that's the point where you no longer

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01:07:21,930 --> 01:07:18,400
really care and I know that sounds bad

1639
01:07:24,510 --> 01:07:21,940
but what I mean by that is not being

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01:07:26,610 --> 01:07:24,520
beholden to anybody correct not feeling

1641
01:07:29,400 --> 01:07:26,620
that you need to appease anybody you're

1642
01:07:31,170 --> 01:07:29,410
not worried about to an extent you're

1643
01:07:32,760 --> 01:07:31,180
not worried about you know upsetting

1644
01:07:33,980 --> 01:07:32,770
somebody because you don't agree with

1645
01:07:35,810 --> 01:07:33,990
their views

1646
01:07:37,700 --> 01:07:35,820
you know you're just doing your thing

1647
01:07:39,230 --> 01:07:37,710
and I think that's that's what you've

1648
01:07:40,640 --> 01:07:39,240
got to do you've got to be you you've

1649
01:07:44,210 --> 01:07:40,650
got to do what you're comfortable with

1650
01:07:46,280 --> 01:07:44,220
and you can't really worry about you

1651
01:07:48,260 --> 01:07:46,290
know what others are going to think if

1652
01:07:50,600 --> 01:07:48,270
you're you're being true to yourself

1653
01:07:52,730 --> 01:07:50,610
you're being a genuine researcher and

1654
01:07:55,430 --> 01:07:52,740
doing what you feel is right that's what

1655
01:07:58,280 --> 01:07:55,440
you got to do like you know it might not

1656
01:07:59,960 --> 01:07:58,290
win you a lot of friends but you know

1657
01:08:03,650 --> 01:07:59,970
we're not doing this to make friends

1658
01:08:07,070 --> 01:08:03,660
no we've made friends we have and that's

1659
01:08:08,990 --> 01:08:07,080
another another thing to keep in mind is

1660
01:08:11,330 --> 01:08:09,000
that we all have our own reasons for

1661
01:08:13,250 --> 01:08:11,340
being into this topic you know it's not

1662
01:08:16,460 --> 01:08:13,260
an altruism that we want to bring the

1663
01:08:18,410 --> 01:08:16,470
truth to the public right we want to

1664
01:08:20,420 --> 01:08:18,420
know for ourselves that's right we

1665
01:08:22,370 --> 01:08:20,430
you've lived a different life than I

1666
01:08:24,470 --> 01:08:22,380
have you know you've lived a completely

1667
01:08:27,349 --> 01:08:24,480
different life different family

1668
01:08:30,019 --> 01:08:27,359
different relationships everything but

1669
01:08:31,910 --> 01:08:30,029
we have this one thing in common and we

1670
01:08:34,579 --> 01:08:31,920
can actually talk about into one another

1671
01:08:36,860 --> 01:08:34,589
but you know I'll be the first to admit

1672
01:08:38,329 --> 01:08:36,870
like I have my own selfish reason oh

1673
01:08:40,519 --> 01:08:38,339
yeah I'm wanting to know the answer yeah

1674
01:08:42,740 --> 01:08:40,529
no I I have have no qualms about

1675
01:08:45,980 --> 01:08:42,750
admitting that sorry guys I'm doing this

1676
01:08:49,309 --> 01:08:45,990
for me I'm I'm glad you like listening

1677
01:08:51,200 --> 01:08:49,319
to but yeah this is all about me not

1678
01:08:53,630 --> 01:08:51,210
really but yeah no it's totally selfish

1679
01:08:55,579 --> 01:08:53,640
yeah obviously I mean we wouldn't do

1680
01:08:56,900 --> 01:08:55,589
this if we didn't you know have a

1681
01:08:59,570 --> 01:08:56,910
genuine passion for it a genuine

1682
01:09:01,940 --> 01:08:59,580
personal interest and if we didn't have

1683
01:09:04,579 --> 01:09:01,950
that would be a big fat phonies right

1684
01:09:06,710 --> 01:09:04,589
like so I mean if there are people out

1685
01:09:08,930 --> 01:09:06,720
there and you don't you know feel they

1686
01:09:10,610 --> 01:09:08,940
have a genuine interest and passion in

1687
01:09:11,599 --> 01:09:10,620
this topic then they don't know why

1688
01:09:15,380 --> 01:09:11,609
you're listening to them

1689
01:09:17,930 --> 01:09:15,390
yeah because really you know that that

1690
01:09:20,749 --> 01:09:17,940
says it all that being said I hope you

1691
01:09:23,450 --> 01:09:20,759
all still listen Yeah right

1692
01:09:24,349 --> 01:09:23,460
we're doing this for you too guys yes

1693
01:09:30,079 --> 01:09:24,359
exactly

1694
01:09:33,170 --> 01:09:30,089
well yeah I think that's probably right

1695
01:09:34,970 --> 01:09:33,180
Cheers that we're almost out of beer so

1696
01:09:36,559 --> 01:09:34,980
we should probably wrap up my stuff

1697
01:09:38,210 --> 01:09:36,569
we're gonna go to the arcade yeah I'm

1698
01:09:42,579 --> 01:09:38,220
gonna go go to the arcade and see if we

1699
01:09:45,110 --> 01:09:42,589
can find some some alien games well um

1700
01:09:46,710 --> 01:09:45,120
Jason where can we find all of your work

1701
01:09:49,890 --> 01:09:46,720
for my listeners Oh

1702
01:09:52,050 --> 01:09:49,900
right so rogue planet TV that is the

1703
01:09:55,800 --> 01:09:52,060
fantastic website you can go to to find

1704
01:10:00,900 --> 01:09:55,810
all sorts of UFO another weird geeky

1705
01:10:03,120 --> 01:10:00,910
content all the various shows I do and

1706
01:10:04,590 --> 01:10:03,130
there'll be more shows coming soon in

1707
01:10:07,080 --> 01:10:04,600
the future that's where you can find any

1708
01:10:10,920 --> 01:10:07,090
information about spacing out that will

1709
01:10:14,640 --> 01:10:10,930
be coming also on Twitter at a centric

1710
01:10:15,510 --> 01:10:14,650
that's a CEC entr I see and I'm on

1711
01:10:17,250 --> 01:10:15,520
Facebook too

1712
01:10:19,050 --> 01:10:17,260
I don't remember my facebook name right

1713
01:10:21,300 --> 01:10:19,060
now and no one goes on Facebook anymore

1714
01:10:22,980 --> 01:10:21,310
don't know and if you go on Facebook and

1715
01:10:25,170 --> 01:10:22,990
just type my name and you can find me

1716
01:10:26,580 --> 01:10:25,180
but if you go to my facebook page just

1717
01:10:28,770 --> 01:10:26,590
look for Jason and you'll find it there

1718
01:10:32,400 --> 01:10:28,780
you go and that works to know I have

1719
01:10:35,430 --> 01:10:32,410
some cool Facebook name like the UFO

1720
01:10:37,140 --> 01:10:35,440
geek or something like yeah I don't know

1721
01:10:39,720 --> 01:10:37,150
I'm on there my name is Jason McClellan

1722
01:10:43,560 --> 01:10:39,730
find out and that's the unknown podcast

1723
01:10:47,400 --> 01:10:43,570
yes one podcast is is the unknown

1724
01:10:50,190 --> 01:10:47,410
podcast the UFO podcast also do the punk

1725
01:10:52,230 --> 01:10:50,200
rocker moon stopper podcast with my our

1726
01:10:55,160 --> 01:10:52,240
mutual friend and colleague Amy Shira

1727
01:10:58,050 --> 01:10:55,170
Teitel when we talk a lot about space

1728
01:11:02,610 --> 01:10:58,060
but also our mutual love a punk rock and

1729
01:11:04,920 --> 01:11:02,620
alcohol and we get into UFOs - and we're

1730
01:11:07,770 --> 01:11:04,930
soon going to do a UFO episode with mr.

1731
01:11:09,270 --> 01:11:07,780
Ryan's Briggs ah can't wait and yeah

1732
01:11:10,290 --> 01:11:09,280
what about you Ryan where can we find

1733
01:11:13,440 --> 01:11:10,300
all about you

1734
01:11:16,470 --> 01:11:13,450
oh my work can be found at somewhere in

1735
01:11:18,330 --> 01:11:16,480
the skies calm oh that's awesome didn't

1736
01:11:19,740 --> 01:11:18,340
you write a book I did I wrote a book it

1737
01:11:22,140 --> 01:11:19,750
is called somewhere in this guy's a

1738
01:11:24,600 --> 01:11:22,150
human approach to an alien phenomenon

1739
01:11:26,070 --> 01:11:24,610
that's fantastic see your subtitle is so

1740
01:11:27,150 --> 01:11:26,080
much shorter than mine so it makes it

1741
01:11:29,100 --> 01:11:27,160
difficult for me to remember mine

1742
01:11:31,830 --> 01:11:29,110
anytime I try to say the name of my book

1743
01:11:36,210 --> 01:11:31,840
I can't remember it try so so my books

1744
01:11:39,090 --> 01:11:36,220
on Amazon as is Ryan's my book is called

1745
01:11:41,750 --> 01:11:39,100
only weirdos see UFOs and before you get

1746
01:11:46,010 --> 01:11:41,760
angry at me the subtitle is an

1747
01:11:48,060 --> 01:11:46,020
introduction to the misperception of

1748
01:11:49,770 --> 01:11:48,070
unidentified aerial phenomena and

1749
01:11:52,320 --> 01:11:49,780
extraterrestrial life you got it all

1750
01:11:54,450 --> 01:11:52,330
right yep I know that is it's a

1751
01:11:56,670 --> 01:11:54,460
wonderful book again like read the

1752
01:11:58,340 --> 01:11:56,680
subtitle people absolutely and that's

1753
01:12:00,200 --> 01:11:58,350
asking too much yeah

1754
01:12:01,520 --> 01:12:00,210
I was very honored to have been featured

1755
01:12:03,590 --> 01:12:01,530
in the book as well for accounting my

1756
01:12:05,750 --> 01:12:03,600
own UFO sighting yes thank you for that

1757
01:12:08,120 --> 01:12:05,760
oh I needed you in there yeah for sure

1758
01:12:11,600 --> 01:12:08,130
with wonderful cover art by one Caleb a

1759
01:12:14,210 --> 01:12:11,610
scale of Hanks yes he made our weirdo on

1760
01:12:16,460 --> 01:12:14,220
the cover it's fantastic awesome yeah

1761
01:12:18,890 --> 01:12:16,470
we'll be seeing more art from mr. Caleb

1762
01:12:21,440 --> 01:12:18,900
Hanks in the future with upcoming shows

1763
01:12:23,180 --> 01:12:21,450
so look for that awesome all right well

1764
01:12:25,880 --> 01:12:23,190
this has been great man I'm so happy we

1765
01:12:27,740 --> 01:12:25,890
got to meet up in the Big Apple

1766
01:12:29,360 --> 01:12:27,750
that's right literally staring at Times

1767
01:12:31,340 --> 01:12:29,370
Square right now yeah it's kind of

1768
01:12:33,110 --> 01:12:31,350
awesome at the Opera though and you know

1769
01:12:36,200 --> 01:12:33,120
I think we only heard a couple sirens so

1770
01:12:37,460 --> 01:12:36,210
that's weird for New York yeah I called

1771
01:12:40,070 --> 01:12:37,470
in a favor told them we were recording a

1772
01:12:41,570 --> 01:12:40,080
podcast yeah I'm surprised no one's

1773
01:12:43,430 --> 01:12:41,580
banging down the door yet that's right

1774
01:12:44,630 --> 01:12:43,440
these walls are paper-thin yeah it's

1775
01:12:46,490 --> 01:12:44,640
probably interested and they're probably

1776
01:12:50,200 --> 01:12:46,500
going to look us up and listen to the

1777
01:12:53,000 --> 01:12:50,210
podcast those new doing in there

1778
01:12:54,890 --> 01:12:53,010
scandalous alright guys well that's it

1779
01:12:55,940 --> 01:12:54,900
we'll talk soon we're gonna go play some

1780
01:12:57,770 --> 01:12:55,950
arcade games

1781
01:13:00,190 --> 01:12:57,780
it's arcade time she episode was

1782
01:13:02,330 --> 01:13:00,200
sponsored by UFO beer yeah [\h__\h] beer

1783
01:13:04,280 --> 01:13:02,340
alright that is it for this week's

1784
01:13:07,550 --> 01:13:04,290
episode again you could find all of

1785
01:13:09,140 --> 01:13:07,560
Jason's work at rogue planet TV you can

1786
01:13:11,660 --> 01:13:09,150
always listen to past episodes and

1787
01:13:13,910 --> 01:13:11,670
contact me through the website somewhere

1788
01:13:17,000 --> 01:13:13,920
in the skies calm we're also on Twitter

1789
01:13:20,090 --> 01:13:17,010
at somewhere skies and again the patreon

1790
01:13:21,800 --> 01:13:20,100
is at patreon.com backslash somewhere

1791
01:13:23,930 --> 01:13:21,810
skies if you haven't already please

1792
01:13:25,850 --> 01:13:23,940
consider subscribing rating and

1793
01:13:28,220 --> 01:13:25,860
reviewing the show on iTunes

1794
01:13:30,560 --> 01:13:28,230
it helps us gain new listeners and ask

1795
01:13:32,960 --> 01:13:30,570
new questions I will see you here next

1796
01:13:35,030 --> 01:13:32,970
Monday and remember keep your feet on

1797
01:13:37,940 --> 01:13:35,040
the ground but never stop searching

1798
01:13:41,860 --> 01:13:37,950
somewhere in the skies also drink UFO

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01:13:53,030 --> 01:13:50,740
[Music]

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somewhere in the skies is produced by

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